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AXEMike said:
I am none of these but I just don't see the point to this particular issue. Why force anyone unable to put a couple of hours in on building a basic amp/cab tone to waste time selecting drives/effects/IO options/etc.? Just give them a good-sounding preset that does not require any research with the amp/cab/mic already set up plus all of that other stuff. Another option is to just select a Cab Block and use Dyna-Cabs. There are only 39 of them and they can be scrolled through using the Value wheel on the front of the unit in about 2mins.

If you did go with amp/cab pairing what design assumptions would you recommend for pairings that are not currently available in the presets?
  • Would you pair the amp block with the speaker block that would have originally been paired with the real amp when it was released (what if there were multiple options or what if the original cab sounded like crap)
  • Would you standardize on an SM-57 mic (or something else)
  • Would you standardize on a single cab in the block since that is how it would have been with the real amp (or 2 if it was a full stack)
  • Would you standardize on Dyna-Cabs
    • If not just Dyna-Cabs
  • Would it be limited to Fractal IRs or are all of the third-party IRs that are in the fractal library an option (If so how do you decide whose V30 loaded 4x12 cab to use)
    • AB — AustinBuddy
      CEL — Celestion
      DB — Dr. Bonkers
      JM — Jay Mitchell (farfield IRs)
      ML — ML Sound Lab
      OH — OwnHammer
      RW — Red Wirez
      TAF — The Amp Factory
      TS — Chris Traynor and James Santiago
      VH — Valhallir.at
      YA — York Audio

This is the issue, all of these IRs fit the bill for pairing with the 1987X Jumped Marshall. Each has its unique sound. The one that sounds good to me may sound like garbage to you. Which one do you pick to be the definitive recommended sound of this amp?


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G12M (GREENBACK)
  • 036 — 4x12 BASKETWEAVE G12M20 (RW) — "'68 Marshall Basketweave 4x12 loaded with 20-watt Celestion Heritage G12Ms. Brown sound all around"
  • 037 — 4x12 BASKETWEAVE G12M25 (RW) — "'68 Marshall Basketweave 4x12 loaded with vintage Marshall-labeled 25-watt Celestion G12Ms. For those who care, these beauties have T1221 frames and Pulsonic 003 "lead" cones"". UltraRes in firmware 15 and later
  • 038 — 4x12 1960A G12M (RW) — "Slant Marshall 1960 loaded with four 25-watt Celestion G12Ms, otherwise known as "Greenbacks""
  • 054 — 4x12 PRE-ROLA 55 M160 (ML) — Based on a 4x12 Marshall 1935 cab with G12M 55Hz greenbacks, UltraRes (Cab Pack 20). Previously: 4x12 MILLS 12K (OH)
  • 055 — 4x12 PRE-ROLA 75 M160 (ML) — Based on a 4x12 Marshall 1960 cab with G12M 75Hz greenbacks, UltraRes (Cab Pack 20). Previously: 4x12 SLM BLUE (OH)
  • 058 — 4x12 TV MIX C1 (ML) — IR mix, based on a 4x2 Marshall TV with G12M25 greenbacks, UltraRes (Cab Pack 8). Before firmware 18: 4×12 Slm M75 (OH)
  • 059 — 4x12 TV MIX C4 (ML) — IR mix, based on a 4x2 Marshall TV with G12M25 greenbacks, UltraRes (Cab Pack 8). Before firmware 18: 4×12 Slm V30 (OH)
  • 060 — 4x12 FRACTAL GB M160 — Mark Day's custom 4x12 with Greenbacks (non-stock), Beyer M160 mic, UltraRes (Cab Pack 10, 4x12 Fractal Gb 160 2B). Before firmware 18: 4×12 20w
  • 069 — 4x12 PRE-ROLA GB C414 — Marshall with 4x12 Pre-Rola Greenbacks, UltraRes (Cab Pack 6)
  • 070 — 4x12 BEATLE GB — Vox Beatle 4x12 with greenbacks, UltraRes (Cab Pack 6)
  • 101 — 4x12 BASKETWEAVE GREEN MIX — '72 Marshall 4x12 with four 12" G12M (greenback) speakers
  • 103 — 4x12 BASKETWEAVE TV MIX — Early 70s Marshall 1960 TV angled tall cabinet with four 12" speakers. This is a favorite cab of many Axe-Fx users (but not UltraRes)
  • 115 — 1x12 NUCLEAR TONE MIX — Swart Atomic Space Tone cabinet, open back, 1x12 Mojotone British Vintage Series BV-25m speaker, UltraRes (Cab Pack 10)
  • 127 — 4x12 LERXST R121 — Mojotone Alex Lifeson Lerxst ported 4x12 cabinet with greenbacks (works well with Marshall Silver Jubilee), UltraRes, captured using the Mic+DI method (Cab Pack 14). Before firmware 19: 4x12 Lerxst Mix
  • 131 — 4x12 TV MIX #1 — Marshall 1960 TV angled tall cabinet with four 12" speakers, mixed microphones, UltraRes (Cab Pack 14)
  • 132 — 4x12 TV MIX #2 — Same as #131, with more bite
  • 147 — 4x12 MAR-CB M-BB-55 MIX (OH) — 1970's Marshall 1960B "checkerboard" 4x12 cabinet, with 12" Pre-Rola black back G12M speakers, UltraRes
  • 148 — 4x12 MAR-PR-M20B FULL (OH) — 1970's Marshall 1960B "checkerboard" 4x12 cabinet, with 12" 1966 pre-Rola Celestion G12M-20 (75 Hz cone) speakers, UltraRes
  • 151 — 1x12 VINTAGE MARS MIX (TAF) — Marshall 1x12 cabinet with a G12M, UltraRes
  • 158 — 4x12 MARS BW G12 ROOM MIX (TAF) — Marshall Basketweave 4x12 with Pre-Rola G12M speakers, UltraRes. Specifically intended to be used in mixes in the box
  • 175 — 4x12 TV 160 B — Marshall 4x12 TV (Tall Vertical) cabinet, G12M speakers, Beyer 160, UltraRes (Cab Pack 14). Specifically intended to be used in mixes in the box
  • 176 — 4x12 TV 57 D — Marshall 4x12 TV (Tall Vertical) cabinet, G12M speakers, Shure SM57, UltraRes (Cab Pack 14). Specifically intended to be used in mixes in the box
  • 184 — 4x12 GREENBACK MIX — Mid-1970s Marshall 4x12 of unknown model, with four greenbacks (Cab Pack 22), UltraRes
  • 189 — 4x12 G12M CREAMBACK MIX (CEL) — Celestion's G12M Creamback speaker in a 4x12 cabinet, UltraRes
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Dynacabs.
The answer to your long winding post can be just as simple as that...DynaCabs.

But your post is a great example of making this way harder than it has to be.

AXEMike said:
Why force anyone unable to put a couple of hours in on building a basic amp/cab tone to waste time selecting drives/effects/IO options/etc.?
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A couple of hours for a basic amp/cab tone? Really?
 
AXEMike said:
I am none of these but I just don't see the point to this particular issue. Why force anyone unable to put a couple of hours in on building a basic amp/cab tone to waste time selecting drives/effects/IO options/etc.? Just give them a good-sounding preset that does not require any research with the amp/cab/mic already set up plus all of that other stuff. Another option is to just select a Cab Block and use Dyna-Cabs. There are only 39 of them and they can be scrolled through using the Value wheel on the front of the unit in about 2mins.

If you did go with amp/cab pairing what design assumptions would you recommend for pairings that are not currently available in the presets?
  • Would you pair the amp block with the speaker block that would have originally been paired with the real amp when it was released (what if there were multiple options or what if the original cab sounded like crap)
  • Would you standardize on an SM-57 mic (or something else)
  • Would you standardize on a single cab in the block since that is how it would have been with the real amp (or 2 if it was a full stack)
  • Would you standardize on Dyna-Cabs
    • If not just Dyna-Cabs
  • Would it be limited to Fractal IRs or are all of the third-party IRs that are in the fractal library an option (If so how do you decide whose V30 loaded 4x12 cab to use)
    • AB — AustinBuddy
      CEL — Celestion
      DB — Dr. Bonkers
      JM — Jay Mitchell (farfield IRs)
      ML — ML Sound Lab
      OH — OwnHammer
      RW — Red Wirez
      TAF — The Amp Factory
      TS — Chris Traynor and James Santiago
      VH — Valhallir.at
      YA — York Audio

This is the issue, all of these IRs fit the bill for pairing with the 1987X Jumped Marshall. Each has its unique sound. The one that sounds good to me may sound like garbage to you. Which one do you pick to be the definitive recommended sound of this amp?


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G12M (GREENBACK)
  • 036 — 4x12 BASKETWEAVE G12M20 (RW) — "'68 Marshall Basketweave 4x12 loaded with 20-watt Celestion Heritage G12Ms. Brown sound all around"
  • 037 — 4x12 BASKETWEAVE G12M25 (RW) — "'68 Marshall Basketweave 4x12 loaded with vintage Marshall-labeled 25-watt Celestion G12Ms. For those who care, these beauties have T1221 frames and Pulsonic 003 "lead" cones"". UltraRes in firmware 15 and later
  • 038 — 4x12 1960A G12M (RW) — "Slant Marshall 1960 loaded with four 25-watt Celestion G12Ms, otherwise known as "Greenbacks""
  • 054 — 4x12 PRE-ROLA 55 M160 (ML) — Based on a 4x12 Marshall 1935 cab with G12M 55Hz greenbacks, UltraRes (Cab Pack 20). Previously: 4x12 MILLS 12K (OH)
  • 055 — 4x12 PRE-ROLA 75 M160 (ML) — Based on a 4x12 Marshall 1960 cab with G12M 75Hz greenbacks, UltraRes (Cab Pack 20). Previously: 4x12 SLM BLUE (OH)
  • 058 — 4x12 TV MIX C1 (ML) — IR mix, based on a 4x2 Marshall TV with G12M25 greenbacks, UltraRes (Cab Pack 8). Before firmware 18: 4×12 Slm M75 (OH)
  • 059 — 4x12 TV MIX C4 (ML) — IR mix, based on a 4x2 Marshall TV with G12M25 greenbacks, UltraRes (Cab Pack 8). Before firmware 18: 4×12 Slm V30 (OH)
  • 060 — 4x12 FRACTAL GB M160 — Mark Day's custom 4x12 with Greenbacks (non-stock), Beyer M160 mic, UltraRes (Cab Pack 10, 4x12 Fractal Gb 160 2B). Before firmware 18: 4×12 20w
  • 069 — 4x12 PRE-ROLA GB C414 — Marshall with 4x12 Pre-Rola Greenbacks, UltraRes (Cab Pack 6)
  • 070 — 4x12 BEATLE GB — Vox Beatle 4x12 with greenbacks, UltraRes (Cab Pack 6)
  • 101 — 4x12 BASKETWEAVE GREEN MIX — '72 Marshall 4x12 with four 12" G12M (greenback) speakers
  • 103 — 4x12 BASKETWEAVE TV MIX — Early 70s Marshall 1960 TV angled tall cabinet with four 12" speakers. This is a favorite cab of many Axe-Fx users (but not UltraRes)
  • 115 — 1x12 NUCLEAR TONE MIX — Swart Atomic Space Tone cabinet, open back, 1x12 Mojotone British Vintage Series BV-25m speaker, UltraRes (Cab Pack 10)
  • 127 — 4x12 LERXST R121 — Mojotone Alex Lifeson Lerxst ported 4x12 cabinet with greenbacks (works well with Marshall Silver Jubilee), UltraRes, captured using the Mic+DI method (Cab Pack 14). Before firmware 19: 4x12 Lerxst Mix
  • 131 — 4x12 TV MIX #1 — Marshall 1960 TV angled tall cabinet with four 12" speakers, mixed microphones, UltraRes (Cab Pack 14)
  • 132 — 4x12 TV MIX #2 — Same as #131, with more bite
  • 147 — 4x12 MAR-CB M-BB-55 MIX (OH) — 1970's Marshall 1960B "checkerboard" 4x12 cabinet, with 12" Pre-Rola black back G12M speakers, UltraRes
  • 148 — 4x12 MAR-PR-M20B FULL (OH) — 1970's Marshall 1960B "checkerboard" 4x12 cabinet, with 12" 1966 pre-Rola Celestion G12M-20 (75 Hz cone) speakers, UltraRes
  • 151 — 1x12 VINTAGE MARS MIX (TAF) — Marshall 1x12 cabinet with a G12M, UltraRes
  • 158 — 4x12 MARS BW G12 ROOM MIX (TAF) — Marshall Basketweave 4x12 with Pre-Rola G12M speakers, UltraRes. Specifically intended to be used in mixes in the box
  • 175 — 4x12 TV 160 B — Marshall 4x12 TV (Tall Vertical) cabinet, G12M speakers, Beyer 160, UltraRes (Cab Pack 14). Specifically intended to be used in mixes in the box
  • 176 — 4x12 TV 57 D — Marshall 4x12 TV (Tall Vertical) cabinet, G12M speakers, Shure SM57, UltraRes (Cab Pack 14). Specifically intended to be used in mixes in the box
  • 184 — 4x12 GREENBACK MIX — Mid-1970s Marshall 4x12 of unknown model, with four greenbacks (Cab Pack 22), UltraRes
  • 189 — 4x12 G12M CREAMBACK MIX (CEL) — Celestion's G12M Creamback speaker in a 4x12 cabinet, UltraRes
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^This^ but that is just the beginning of the problem.

Some brands make more than one cabinet that can be matched with a particular head such as Marshall’s many flavors of G12M-based cabs, or, they make one cabinet with multiple choices of speakers, especially over many years of production, like Fender has. The “default” combination should then be… what? And then, again as was said, which IR, with which microphone is appropriate, and then the microphone in what position in relation to the speaker?

Anyone who has had multiple amps over the years has very likely replaced speakers in at least one of the cabinets to fine tune their sound. That happens in every level of guitar performance, all the way to the pros. Look at Eric Johnson’s Twin heads running into a 4x12 Marshall cab with JBLs(?) now, or Bonamassa’s Dumbles and Tweeds with EVs. For a company to suggest a default combination then becomes a question of knowing who are you trying to sound like, perhaps even what song from which album just to match the particular amp+cab+speaker+mic+room.
 
AXEMike said:
I just don't see the point to this particular issue.
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I think you might indeed be missing the point. Amp/cab matching is not about some magical automatic selection of the perfect IR to go with an amp. It's about improving the preset building workflow by providing quick access to pairing suggestions for newcomers, or favorites for veterans. Other modelers already offer this feature, so it's surprising to see people react to this as if it's some alien and unimaginable concept.
 
GlennO said:
I think you might indeed be missing the point. Amp/cab matching is not about some magical automatic selection of the perfect IR to go with an amp. It's about improving the preset building workflow by providing quick access to pairing suggestions for newcomers, or favorites for veterans. Other modelers already offer this feature, so it's surprising to see people react to this as if it's some alien and unimaginable concept.
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Nailed it.

To add to this, for people who really don't understand/want this feature, it could be turned off in settings.

Which makes all the dense arguments against it really unexplainable.
 
usersnoozer said:
Dynacabs.
The answer to your long winding post can be just as simple as that...DynaCabs.

But your post is a great example of making this way harder than it has to be.


A couple of hours for a basic amp/cab tone? Really?
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Assuming some particular DynaCab was automatically suggested, there are still a serious crap ton of possible settings, even if you restrict it to one specific mic or mic combination too. There's not going to be any consensus out in the world at that level.

I'm 100% NOT saying there's no room for workflow improvement here, just that picking defaults isn't trivial.
 
GlennO said:
I think you might indeed be missing the point. Amp/cab matching is not about some magical automatic selection of the perfect IR to go with an amp. It's about improving the preset building workflow by providing quick access to pairing suggestions for newcomers, or favorites for veterans. Other modelers already offer this feature, so it's surprising to see people react to this as if it's some alien and unimaginable concept.
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I understand why this would be a cool feature but I don't think blocks in Fractal are designed to have any kind of built-in reference to another block. That reference between blocks is created by the process of linking them as a preset. So the pairing of an amp/cab would have to be built as something like In1->Amp1->Cab1->Out1 (no point in not including the In/Out blocks) preset. Are we not just talking about a bunch of simple 4 block starter templates?

And to be fair, I have not used other modelers other than to hear what they sound like (just real amps/cabs) so I likely don't have the same point of reference that you do.
 
I feel like this is a valid criticism of the hardware, but not a flaw, per se. The preset selection is designed to give you plenty of jumping off points for a wide variety of amp models and sounds. If that doesn't work for you, but you still don't want to do the work yourself...maybe the AxeFX just isn't the right solution for you. There are plenty of alternatives out there that do the "turn it on, you have a sound, you're good to go" thing, both in hardware and plugin format.

There's no objectively "right" speaker for a given amp anyway. What matters is what sounds good to you.
 
jephjacques said:
If that doesn't work for you, but you still don't want to do the work yourself...maybe the AxeFX just isn't the right solution for you. There are plenty of alternatives out there that do the "turn it on, you have a sound, you're good to go" thing, both in hardware and plugin format.
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:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:
How do people let a guitar modeler make them this smug?

I've been using FM3 as my main rig for two years.
 
AXEMike said:
I understand why this would be a cool feature but I don't think blocks in Fractal are designed to have any kind of built-in reference to another block. That reference between blocks is created by the process of linking them as a preset. So the pairing of an amp/cab would have to be built as something like In1->Amp1->Cab1->Out1 (no point in not including the In/Out blocks) preset. Are we not just talking about a bunch of simple 4 block starter templates?
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To be fair, this "reference" does now exist in one case - and already between the Cab block and Amp block: that's how Auto Speaker Impedance Curve selection works.
 
AXEMike said:
I am none of these but I just don't see the point to this particular issue. Why force anyone unable to put a couple of hours in on building a basic amp/cab tone to waste time selecting drives/effects/IO options/etc.? Just give them a good-sounding preset that does not require any research with the amp/cab/mic already set up plus all of that other stuff. Another option is to just select a Cab Block and use Dyna-Cabs. There are only 39 of them and they can be scrolled through using the Value wheel on the front of the unit in about 2mins.

If you did go with amp/cab pairing what design assumptions would you recommend for pairings that are not currently available in the presets?
  • Would you pair the amp block with the speaker block that would have originally been paired with the real amp when it was released (what if there were multiple options or what if the original cab sounded like crap)
  • Would you standardize on an SM-57 mic (or something else)
  • Would you standardize on a single cab in the block since that is how it would have been with the real amp (or 2 if it was a full stack)
  • Would you standardize on Dyna-Cabs
    • If not just Dyna-Cabs
  • Would it be limited to Fractal IRs or are all of the third-party IRs that are in the fractal library an option (If so how do you decide whose V30 loaded 4x12 cab to use)
    • AB — AustinBuddy
      CEL — Celestion
      DB — Dr. Bonkers
      JM — Jay Mitchell (farfield IRs)
      ML — ML Sound Lab
      OH — OwnHammer
      RW — Red Wirez
      TAF — The Amp Factory
      TS — Chris Traynor and James Santiago
      VH — Valhallir.at
      YA — York Audio

This is the issue, all of these IRs fit the bill for pairing with the 1987X Jumped Marshall. Each has its unique sound. The one that sounds good to me may sound like garbage to you. Which one do you pick to be the definitive recommended sound of this amp?


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G12M (GREENBACK)
  • 036 — 4x12 BASKETWEAVE G12M20 (RW) — "'68 Marshall Basketweave 4x12 loaded with 20-watt Celestion Heritage G12Ms. Brown sound all around"
  • 037 — 4x12 BASKETWEAVE G12M25 (RW) — "'68 Marshall Basketweave 4x12 loaded with vintage Marshall-labeled 25-watt Celestion G12Ms. For those who care, these beauties have T1221 frames and Pulsonic 003 "lead" cones"". UltraRes in firmware 15 and later
  • 038 — 4x12 1960A G12M (RW) — "Slant Marshall 1960 loaded with four 25-watt Celestion G12Ms, otherwise known as "Greenbacks""
  • 054 — 4x12 PRE-ROLA 55 M160 (ML) — Based on a 4x12 Marshall 1935 cab with G12M 55Hz greenbacks, UltraRes (Cab Pack 20). Previously: 4x12 MILLS 12K (OH)
  • 055 — 4x12 PRE-ROLA 75 M160 (ML) — Based on a 4x12 Marshall 1960 cab with G12M 75Hz greenbacks, UltraRes (Cab Pack 20). Previously: 4x12 SLM BLUE (OH)
  • 058 — 4x12 TV MIX C1 (ML) — IR mix, based on a 4x2 Marshall TV with G12M25 greenbacks, UltraRes (Cab Pack 8). Before firmware 18: 4×12 Slm M75 (OH)
  • 059 — 4x12 TV MIX C4 (ML) — IR mix, based on a 4x2 Marshall TV with G12M25 greenbacks, UltraRes (Cab Pack 8). Before firmware 18: 4×12 Slm V30 (OH)
  • 060 — 4x12 FRACTAL GB M160 — Mark Day's custom 4x12 with Greenbacks (non-stock), Beyer M160 mic, UltraRes (Cab Pack 10, 4x12 Fractal Gb 160 2B). Before firmware 18: 4×12 20w
  • 069 — 4x12 PRE-ROLA GB C414 — Marshall with 4x12 Pre-Rola Greenbacks, UltraRes (Cab Pack 6)
  • 070 — 4x12 BEATLE GB — Vox Beatle 4x12 with greenbacks, UltraRes (Cab Pack 6)
  • 101 — 4x12 BASKETWEAVE GREEN MIX — '72 Marshall 4x12 with four 12" G12M (greenback) speakers
  • 103 — 4x12 BASKETWEAVE TV MIX — Early 70s Marshall 1960 TV angled tall cabinet with four 12" speakers. This is a favorite cab of many Axe-Fx users (but not UltraRes)
  • 115 — 1x12 NUCLEAR TONE MIX — Swart Atomic Space Tone cabinet, open back, 1x12 Mojotone British Vintage Series BV-25m speaker, UltraRes (Cab Pack 10)
  • 127 — 4x12 LERXST R121 — Mojotone Alex Lifeson Lerxst ported 4x12 cabinet with greenbacks (works well with Marshall Silver Jubilee), UltraRes, captured using the Mic+DI method (Cab Pack 14). Before firmware 19: 4x12 Lerxst Mix
  • 131 — 4x12 TV MIX #1 — Marshall 1960 TV angled tall cabinet with four 12" speakers, mixed microphones, UltraRes (Cab Pack 14)
  • 132 — 4x12 TV MIX #2 — Same as #131, with more bite
  • 147 — 4x12 MAR-CB M-BB-55 MIX (OH) — 1970's Marshall 1960B "checkerboard" 4x12 cabinet, with 12" Pre-Rola black back G12M speakers, UltraRes
  • 148 — 4x12 MAR-PR-M20B FULL (OH) — 1970's Marshall 1960B "checkerboard" 4x12 cabinet, with 12" 1966 pre-Rola Celestion G12M-20 (75 Hz cone) speakers, UltraRes
  • 151 — 1x12 VINTAGE MARS MIX (TAF) — Marshall 1x12 cabinet with a G12M, UltraRes
  • 158 — 4x12 MARS BW G12 ROOM MIX (TAF) — Marshall Basketweave 4x12 with Pre-Rola G12M speakers, UltraRes. Specifically intended to be used in mixes in the box
  • 175 — 4x12 TV 160 B — Marshall 4x12 TV (Tall Vertical) cabinet, G12M speakers, Beyer 160, UltraRes (Cab Pack 14). Specifically intended to be used in mixes in the box
  • 176 — 4x12 TV 57 D — Marshall 4x12 TV (Tall Vertical) cabinet, G12M speakers, Shure SM57, UltraRes (Cab Pack 14). Specifically intended to be used in mixes in the box
  • 184 — 4x12 GREENBACK MIX — Mid-1970s Marshall 4x12 of unknown model, with four greenbacks (Cab Pack 22), UltraRes
  • 189 — 4x12 G12M CREAMBACK MIX (CEL) — Celestion's G12M Creamback speaker in a 4x12 cabinet, UltraRes
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Yes you have a point, but don't you think that it takes much more time than it should to get the correspondent speaker of a combo?
English is not my first language but there's an expression or phrase that some users said that exemplifies well my point of view
"Just to get in the ballpark" (something like this I think)
 
On a related note... what if what we need for the users who don't want to tweak that much on day one or that want an starting point to tweak later is just a proper library of blocks instead of just listening to hundreds of presents with weird naming?

I found Leon Todd library very useful as some others that found here in the forums lost in threads. It gives me something quick when I want to load an amp with some specific style or song settings, or a basic fx like a chorus or digital delay that I can tweak later if needed.

I really wish we had a bank library with every amp and suggested settings and IRs (or dyna) for 2 or 3 styles on which that specific amp/cab/pedal excels at. And the same for each drive, fx, etc so I could just pull one, check, tweak and learn from instead of starting from scratch.

In fact the main reason I have purchased the famous presets is not to use them as they are but to get ideas and learn as the Fractal units do not have default settings other than browsing all the presets.
 
icarri said:
I really wish we had a bank library with every amp and suggested settings and IRs (or dyna) for 2 or 3 styles on which that specific amp/cab/pedal excels at. And the same for each drive, fx, etc so I could just pull one, check, tweak and learn from instead of starting from scratch.
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if anyone is up to the task a forum member could do this. 326 models x 3 styles is 978 blocks for the amp alone. Doing drives and other effects would increase this number significantly, so it would just take a little time to complete.
 
chris said:
if anyone is up to the task a forum member could do this. 326 models x 3 styles is 978 blocks for the amp alone. Doing drives and other effects would increase this number significantly, so it would just take a little time to complete.
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Yeah huge task for sure, that can't be done by a single person in one day or single step. But nor is the wiki either yet YEK did it. Maybe it should start as several users contribution over some time, in fact I saw several threads in the last years about it, but didn't success.

I don't consider myself knowledgeable enough to do it in terms if the amps/drives/cabs/pedals, but I volunteer to compile it or to give it some form if posible and more people is interested. In fact there is not even a fractal blocks exchange platform if i'm not mistaken, so the company could also help a bit to make it happen and make things easier for us users to do it.

But yeah anyway as I said it's just a wish or a dream, I understand the difficulties.
 
icarri said:
Yeah huge task for sure, that can't be done by a single person in one day or single step. But nor is the wiki either yet YEK did it. Maybe it should start as several users contribution over some time, in fact I saw several threads in the last years about it, but didn't success.

I don't consider myself knowledgeable enough to do it in terms if the amps/drives/cabs/pedals, but I volunteer to compile it or to give it some form if posible and more people is interested. In fact there is not even a fractal blocks exchange platform if i'm not mistaken, so the company could also help a bit to make it happen and make things easier for us users to do it.

But yeah anyway as I said it's just a wish or a dream, I understand the difficulties.
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someone start a thread and let's make it happen!
 
It would be fairly easy, at least in edit, to make a cab block state that follows the amp block.
Somebody would have to choose a single factory IR for each amp model and make the list. I would reuse IRs for as many amp models as possible. It would make it easier to get a quick impression of all the amp models. I am sure someone like Cooper Carter could make such a list in half a day. For many amp models it would be a complete toss-up which cab to choose, but it could be done. I mean, for Marshall tones, would you choose G12M, G12H, G12T or V30 speakers? All of these have been paired with Marshall heads on famous records. You would have to choose one of them as default, and users would miss out if they never deviate from the default choice.

Personally, I would never use such a feature. I would choose a cab that goes with a certain style of amps and then use the same IR for all those amp models. I do see the attraction of having premade choices, when you enter the vast candy store for the first time.
 
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