Frodebro
Experienced
The TMP is $2299 AUD in Australia versus $3299 AUD for the FM9. Fractal is too expensive here, unfortunately.
Yowsa. How are they shipping Fractals to you guys, in first class airline seats?
The TMP is $2299 AUD in Australia versus $3299 AUD for the FM9. Fractal is too expensive here, unfortunately.
I understand your point of view and am aware that the TMP’s speaker impedance problem with non-stock IR’s. That’s a design flaw on Fender’s end and I hope they’ll get it fixed if they want to join the modeler competition for real.Absolutely but you can’t do that because you would have to turn off specific portions of the power amp modelling for the fractal, which I don’t think could be done (not easily, at least). It’s not the entire power amp, from my understanding, just the interactions with speakers. I don’t think you can export the inbuilt IRs from the TMP also.
The point is also that you don’t have to tweak the TMP to “death”, ala your line 6 example. It’s there from the go. So I am talking about quick “out of the box” sounds.
My point is that the apples to apples test has not been done and that the only fair test you can probably do now is the “out of the box” quick tests, until fender fix their IR architecture.
I understand your point of view and am aware that the TMP’s speaker impedance problem with non-stock IR’s. That’s a design flaw on Fender’s end and I hope they’ll get it fixed if they want to join the modeler competition for real.
Why would you have to disable power amp simulation with Fractal? You should be able to get the frequency curve of the IR out of the TMP with some DAW match IR tools for an example. If there’s some other stuff going on inside the TMP speaker block that is only working with their own impulses, that is again a problem on Fender’s end.
EDIT: I think this discussion has been going around in circles for way too long. Time for more charts now?
Just for reference, the only reseller in Australia:Yowsa. How are they shipping Fractals to you guys, in first class airline seats?
Graphs like these help me sleep at nights without having to crave about getting another modeler or new gear. Easier on the wallet when you known you already have the best gear available. Also my ears have improved a lot when you know what to listen for in amp modeling. Arguing about competetive products is another thing, but I’ve kind of had my share. Big kudos to Fractal for spilling the beans.yes more graphs please! It triggers the TMP fanboys.
So in the video comparison that Leon did, where the Fender TMP sounded worse (to me) and was harder to "dial in" according to Leon, my question is why would Fender release a $1600.00 Modeler that didn't have the right "critical components" in it versus the other 3 that sounded better (to me)?During that comparison, when one modeler is being compared to the other, to use critical components that are not provided with each modeler could provide results that do not accurately compare the two modelers.
Just for reference, the only reseller in Australia:
https://shop.independentmusic.com.au/fractal-audio-fm9-turbo/
versus
https://billyhydemusic.com.au/fender-tone-master-pro
The FM3 turbo is even more expensive than the TMP, here!
Typical large corporation behavior. They think their past reputation and recognized name for building physical amps will allow them to release a “good enough” amp modeler and that many potential buyers will purchase one because ”it’s Fender, so it must be great” attitude. All you need to do to see this strategy working is to read some of the comments on the various YouTube review videos where the reviewer reports the modeler is lacking…some of those that have purchased the Fender TMP vehemently, and at times angrily, post rebuttal comments refuting the reviewers statements without any actual facts to support their positions.So in the video comparison that Leon did, where the Fender TMP sounded worse (to me) and was harder to "dial in" according to Leon, my question is why would Fender release a $1600.00 Modeler that didn't have the right "critical components" in it versus the other 3 that sounded better (to me)?
Why not?my question is why would Fender release a $1600.00 Modeler that didn't have the right "critical components" in it versus the other 3 that sounded better
I used to own a Fender CyberTwin. They didn't improve it, they made a new version, with a new name, no upgrade path except to sell and rebuy, which I didn't.[snip]
The Fender TMP is only at its initial release, perhaps over time it will mature into a real contender in the modeler market…time will tell. [snip]
I used to own a Fender CyberTwin. They didn't improve it, they made a new version, with a new name, no upgrade path except to sell and rebuy, which I didn't.
I would definitely not count on them improving the TMP significantly, or continuing to support it for very long.
Fender is likely smart to get into it as they have a lot of brand loyalty and think they can make some money in that market. I think this will end up being good for Fractal. I've seen some movement from traditional amp guys that seem open to trying the Fender TMP because the Fender name lends some legitimacy in their world - it's a solid guitar brand they've known for 30/40/50 years. After making the big leap into the digital age, they'll be more apt to look around at other offerings and could end up discovering that Fractal does it better.my question is why would Fender release a $1600.00 Modeler that didn't have the right "critical components" in it versus the other 3 that sounded better (to me)?
Or they'll say, "nope, this modeling stuff sucks!".After making the big leap into the digital age, they'll be more apt to look around at other offerings and could end up discovering that Fractal does it better.
2169 USD in aus, vs 1599 USD direct from Fractal in the US. When you take into account shipping, duties and taxes, and the retailer being rewarded for his time, the markup is actually very low.
EDIT: this has been discussed and answered on the forum before.
So in the video comparison that Leon did, where the Fender TMP sounded worse (to me) and was harder to "dial in" according to Leon, my question is why would Fender release a $1600.00 Modeler that didn't have the right "critical components" in it versus the other 3 that sounded better (to me)?
Could be, could be. Especially when they compare their 100W amp and cab to a modeler thru a desktop speaker.Or they'll say, "nope, this modeling stuff sucks!".