It's fed with MIDI data from a hex pickup -- what would you call an instrument that makes sounds based on MIDI data if not a synthesizer?aside from the GP-10, which is not synthesis btw
It's fed with MIDI data from a hex pickup -- what would you call an instrument that makes sounds based on MIDI data if not a synthesizer?aside from the GP-10, which is not synthesis btw
Well, you're not the first by any means to ask for this and not the first to misunderstand why it's not something that Fractal is leaping to provide -- the basis for doing it well already exists in the unit as we've discussed and demonstrated at length in this thread, right?Thanks for the total simplification of the issue, and making it combatant when it was meant to be suggestive.
Maybe you're asking for the wrong thing then? Maybe what you want is the ability to override the global cabinet off/on setting on a per-preset basis? Then your complaint about the amount of work you'd need to do to use the CAB block for acoustic emulation is satisfied, right?Bottom line is I do not want to change EVERY SINGLE PATCH (hundreds) to turnoff the cabinet block just to have ONE patch be able to emulate an acoustic. There are times when I'm NOT playing through a cabinet that I want them on again, so then I would have to go through hundreds of patches to turn them all on again. This is not just a "turn of the knob". This is an unworkable solution.
Or you could step back and consider what you're asking for and how you might ask for something else instead that also gets you to a solution...Yes I could buy an external acoustic simulator and run it through the effects loop, which is what I'll probably do, but I was just making the suggestion of just including one in the unit. I mean, this is an multi-effect processor - it's NOT unreasonable to have an acoustic simulator in a multi-effects processor, as MOST of them do. I was just wondering if there was some TECHNICAL reason why this couldn't be done specific to the AX8. THAT is my suggestion / question.
Well, there's the disconnect.
The GP-10 uses a hexaphonic pickup and synthesis techniques to do it's thing. Fractal products don't do synthesis. If you want a polyphonic guitar synth, you'll need to use a polyphonic guitar synth.
According to the product page from Boss I found here:No disconnect. I do not believe the GP-10 is doing synthesis in this case but rather modeling the input.
With a Roland GK-compatible pickup on your guitar, the GP-10 lets you transform your sound into numerous classic electric and acoustic guitar types, basses, and even analog-modeled synths, including the legendary Roland GR-300.
It's not about priorities at all, but base capabilities. None of the Fractal gear is synthesis gear that uses MIDI input like the GP-10 does to do its thing.it's more about the priorities of the developer (which should match the majority of users by and large) as to what a device can and can't do as at this point the sky is pretty much the limit.
According to the product page from Boss I found here:
Emphasis mine. But, no, the GP-10 is not modeling, if the manufacturers website is to be trusted.
It's not about priorities at all, but base capabilities. None of the Fractal gear is synthesis gear that uses MIDI input like the GP-10 does to do its thing.
If you want to do modeling-to-modeling comparisons I'll bet heavily, every time that the Fractal IR + EQ approach is going to produce a better acoustic emulation than anything else out there. There have already been examples provided in this thread of the Fractal solution -- still waiting on the non-Fractal solutions that don't use synthesis. If that's not good enough, well, you need to go hex pickup and a device that supports it, which isn't Fractal. Asking Fractal to match a hex pickup solution without a hex pickup is just getting into silly absurd territory.
Someone wanting "acoustic simulation" tell me what's missing from the IR block maybe? Sounds pretty good to me, especially if you tart it up with some reverb and delay.
Someone shared Fishman Aura IRs a couple of years ago. They were removed due to copyright issues. Although it's a grey area.Agree
I use the fishman aura pedal for this. Very compact and sounds great
Someone shared Fishman Aura IRs a couple of years ago. They were removed due to copyright issues. Although it's a grey area.
I seem to remember people were generally pleased with it. Represented the actual unit pretty well.
I wasn't terribly impressed. Got better results tonematching my acoustic's pickup to a condenser microphone. It shows how individual this sort of tech is. What works for one guitar/taste/set of hands doesn't work as well for another. Which also makes it difficult to build an "effect" for it that will please many, let alone everyone.
I'm still going to try and match the acoustic tone to a couple of my electrics. Although I'm not expecting stellar results, it will probably be tolerable for effects purposes.
I have those and the Mamabear IR's too.
The pedal gets noticeably better results for my rig vs. the IR's.
Roland has been using its GK pickups for modeling since their first COSM modeler, the VG-8, was released. The GK pickup, at its core, is just 6 individuals piezo pickups that allow the guitar signal to be processed polyphonically. This allows them to do more realistic guitar modeling.
It's essentially a collection of tone matches in a box.Is the Fishman Aura an acoustic guitar "preamp" or an acoustic guitar "sim"? I am confused
Is the Fishman Aura an acoustic guitar "preamp" or an acoustic guitar "sim"? I am confused
I don't know whether they're IR-based or not, but they're some kind of tone matching. They used to (maybe still do) offer a service where you'd send them your guitar, and they'd create an "image" for it.It has what I've always thought were matching EQ profiles. They call them "images". I don't think they are IR's though. Because this technology came out way before affordable IR players in pedal format were on the market.
TIL the output from the GK pickup is a waveform, not MIDI data. I always thought the conversion was done in that box you stick in the guitar, not at the receiving unit's end.I know I said the last post was my last, but the GK pickup is not piezo based. It's 6 individual mag pickups. Given what Roland/Boss just achieved with the SY-300 and EHX with a handful of pedals, we are likely 3-5 years away from some pretty powerful guitar synth effects (and guitar modeling) within MFX pedals which do not require special pickups.
I don't know whether they're IR-based or not, but they're some kind of tone matching. They used to (maybe still do) was offer a service where you'd send them your guitar, and they'd create an "image" for it.
And just like tone matches, I found that only two images out of the entire collection worked for my guitar.
The question was, "Why is there no acoustic simulator in the Axe?" Looking back through the thread, i see several direct answers.OK I give up as no one is actually answering the specific question.