Windows 11

Requiring secure boot and TPM crap is the most maddening part. I’ve got family PCs here that are just fine for the wife and kids, but aren’t on new enough motherboards to be “Windows 11 compatible”.

So what am I supposed to do? Throw out perfectly good MoBos and update them so we don’t fall behind on OS patches?

F’ing dumb.
 
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FractalAudio said:
4. Did I mention inconsistency? There's a settings "Applet" and also a Control Panel. They use completely different UI language. Some of the things in one aren't in the other but some things are common between the two. WTF is that?...

The whole thing feels like it's just a money grab. I can't see a single advantage over Windows 10 (which was nearly as bad).
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It's a money grab in the form of a data grab. Years ago, I got excited for Windows updates. New features, new workflows... Not anymore. Each new update, every patch that's pushed onto me, every "We've changed our agreement" email — is another hook that GoogAppleSoft sinks into my flesh, wresting control over my data, and cataloging my life to sell to other moneygrubbers.

That "Settings" applet? It's just another means to dumb down the interface and hide the inner workings, under the guise of simplifying the user experience. What they're going for is a least-common-denominator interface with all the "coolness" of your smart phone. Control Panel always! Just forget that the applet exists, and your life will be incrementally happier.

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5. Lazy programming. I wanted to connect to our corporate server via the VPN. A window popped up asking for user name and password. Near the bottom it said something like "The credentials you have entered are incorrect". Not surprising since I haven't entered any yet. So I enter my user name and password, which are correct, and the message doesn't go away. I hit enter and the dialog box closes and I'm granted access.
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There's a known issue with connectivity in the current WIn11 release.

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I'm sure they'd tell me there's more "security" and "ease of use" but I don't see why that stuff couldn't have been added to Windows 10. The core OS under the goofy UI is the same.

The Start menu and Taskbar have been changed yet again and still don't feel like there's any logic to them. Screams "designed by committee".

But we get "Widgets" which are things that maybe some people use.
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Microsoft's engineers aren't working for you and me. They're working for Microsoft. You and I — and our data and history — are their main products, albeit revenue-generating products. Their main customers are the people who buy or otherwise profit from that data.

Google is the same. Have you noticed how Google searches results have become AI summaries and Reddit posts? And they're full of language that reads like sales literature.
 
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Just putting this out there for those that hate Windows 11 versus 10. You can revert back within 10 days of installing, usually.


Like Cliff et al, I have a lot invested in Windows and am forced to use it for some things. Otherwise, I mainly use Linux.
So I just bought a few licenses for Windows 10 as backup.

https://turnkeypoint.com/product/windows-10-pro/
 
I think M$ should substantially pare Windows back and make it free. Focus on just the core functionality and make it rock solid. They can make their money from apps since they're pushing everything to subscription crap anyway.

They keep trying to integrate so much crap into the OS. It's so bloated with junk I never use. Let me pick what I run. They should focus on the core OS functions so updates won't brick people's systems randomly.
 
For the people who can/want to switch to Linux, Zorin OS is a linux distribution that is meant for people with little to no linux experience. It will even try to run .exe files through an emulation layer, making it possible to use some windows software.
 
They still can't get away from some DOS based restrictions in the OS. I would still run into the old ass file path length limit when trying to back up data.
 
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Microsoft's engineers aren't working for you and me. They're working for Microsoft. You and I — and our data and history — are their main products, albeit revenue-generating products. Their main customers are the people who buy or otherwise profit from that data.

Google is the same. Have you noticed how Google searches results have become AI summaries and Reddit posts? And they're full language that reads like sales literature.
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I remember when sci-fi movies and superhero cartoons would have some sort of evil OMICORP that was all-powerful and omni-present. Present day is like exactly like that but with 6 of those companies instead of 1 (Microsoft, Google, Apple, Meta, Amazon, Nvidia).
 
fuzzydude said:
Just putting this out there for those that hate Windows 11 versus 10. You can revert back within 10 days of installing, usually.


Like Cliff et al, I have a lot invested in Windows and am forced to use it for some things. Otherwise, I mainly use Linux.
So I just bought a few licenses for Windows 10 as backup.

https://turnkeypoint.com/product/windows-10-pro/
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This is a good point.

Also, I believe you can apply to get extended security updates to Windows 10 until October 2026.

Might be worth thinking about reverting. Maybe another year will give M$ more time to solidify things.
 
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It’s gonna get worse as the AI trash rolls over the OS like a cloud of noxious gas. Like many I’m not super impressed by Apple and I do plan to move to Linux, but I have some groundwork to lay. But I would also welcome FAS software supporting Linux as one less thing I have to bridge through a VM or WINE.
 
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Years ago I ran a business unit for NEC Semiconductors. I had a dedicated guy onsite at Microsoft (with a desk and everything) in order to work on WHQL driver support for a 3D graphics chip. It turned out to be a nightmare trying to get things sorted - due to MS obfuscation.

I remember that we'd finally gotten a hold of their implementing engineer and so I flew out to Redmond where we'd set up a meeting with him, our onsite engineer, and a software lead on our end. Arriving at the meeting, the MS engineer entered, closely followed (nearly led by the arm) by what I could only describe as a "political officer" (think Cold War Soviet Union). Every question we asked (mind you, we didn't need state secrets, just enough info to figure out why our implementation wasn't passing muster) was deferred to this political officer. The engineer wasn't allowed to speak without first whispering to the political officer what he was going to tell us. It was that insane.

Since then, it's become more and more obvious that the people that wrote the core operating system and the literal shit pile of software (that most of us don't use, don't need, don't want and can't really get rid of) are retired or have passed on.

Way too much crap is included that pertains to corporate IT management and pseudo security implementations, backwards compatibility to systems I haven't even heard of...

It is a sad sad reality of what design by committee becomes, especially when the real talent is no longer around and the new employees and management can barely decipher what's going on in the code, but are afraid (yes, literally afraid) to change anything because the OS bloat has become a veritable Jenga&trade; puzzle. So to make it look like they are accomplishing something, all the BS changes are made that "fix", "improve" and "modernize" things that weren't broken.

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NeverTooManyGuitars said:
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Years ago I ran a business unit for NEC Semiconductors. I had a dedicated guy onsite at Microsoft (with a desk and everything) in order to work on WHQL driver support for a 3D graphics chip. It turned out to be a nightmare trying to get things sorted - due to MS obfuscation.

I remember that we'd finally gotten a hold of their implementing engineer and so I flew out to Redmond where we'd set up a meeting with him, our onsite engineer, and a software lead on our end. Arriving at the meeting, the MS engineer entered, closely followed (nearly led by the arm) by what I could only describe as a "political officer" (think Cold War Soviet Union). Every question we asked (mind you, we didn't need state secrets, just enough info to figure out why our implementation wasn't passing muster) was deferred to this political officer. The engineer wasn't allowed to speak without first whispering to the political officer what he was going to tell us. It was that insane.

Since then, it's become more and more obvious that the people that wrote the core operating system and the literal shit pile of software (that most of us don't use, don't need, don't want and can't really get rid of) are retired or have passed on.

Way too much crap is included that pertains to corporate IT management and pseudo security implementations, backwards compatibility to systems I haven't even heard of...

It is a sad sad reality of what design by committee becomes, especially when the real talent is no longer around and the new employees and management can barely decipher what's going on in the code, but are afraid (yes, literally afraid) to change anything because the OS bloat has become a veritable Jenga&trade; puzzle. So to make it look like they are accomplishing something, all the BS changes are made that "fix", "improve" and "modernize" things that weren't broken.

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This is every large software project ever.
 
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