FM3 Firmware Version 10.0 public beta

[Rublalup]

The input is hotter on this upgrade. Almost on all presets I find the guitars are driving the amps harder

 

[ethomas1013]

The input is hotter on this upgrade. Almost on all presets I find the guitars are driving the amps harder

That has been addressed several times in this thread. Check the input pad setting after installing the update. Some users report it has been reset to 6dB rather than 12dB. Change it to 12dB if it's at 6dB.

 

[aflynt]

I initially changed it back to 12db when I installed, but wound up going back to 6db because it sounded kind of anemic. No clipping at 6db for me with my main guitar.

-Aaron

 

[AlvaroVa]

Esto se ha abordado varias veces en este hilo. Revisa la configuración del pad de entrada después de instalar la actualización. Algunos usuarios informan que se ha restablecido a 6 dB en lugar de 12 dB. Cámbialo a 12 dB si está en 6 dB.

Hi, Where can this be modified?

 

[legowars]

Hi, Where can this be modified?

Setup > I/O > Scroll down to input config > Input 1 pad

 

[Necr0lancer]

Honestly, I kinda agree with @Olivier SANUY with the reverbs. I can't put my finger on it, but something about the Reverbs sounds different and this is before I read his post. I noticed it right away. I was playing with the new reverbs last night and it felt, idk, disconnected? I turned the Spread to 200% and it sounded wider, of course, but something is different. I had a simple patch and turned the density to 8 echoes and High quality. I could hear the difference in quality. Tried the new plate reverbs and they sound great. But something sounds off/different. I know this isn't helpful at all. Maybe I can revert back to 9.01 to see if maybe my brain is just playing tricks on me.

Was something done on a fundamental level for all the reverbs?

I will say the change to the EVH amps is

 

[DJD100]

Nothing wrong with sticking to an earlier firmware if that's your preference

I'd double check the input /output settings within setup, my pad settings changed for example from 12 - 6 which caused input clipping, might be worth looking into as that would directly effect things

I had Band rehearsal 2 days ago (metal band) , went by flawlessly (midi from laptop to switch scenes / we play with IEMs) the differences I heard/felt at home were even better in the IEMs, tighter and clearer sounding high gain, very cool stuff

Hey Paul, what CPU are your laptop controlled presets at?

My single kitchen sink preset was way too slow changing scenes under FW 10b showing 78% CPU, from 5 Pin DIN MIDI, Editor via USB, and the FP (like a couple of seconds slow, including with the Editor off and USB unplugged)?

 

[Rublalup]

That has been addressed several times in this thread. Check the input pad setting after installing the update. Some users report it has been reset to 6dB rather than 12dB. Change it to 12dB if it's at 6dB.

I did changed it from 0 to 12. Maybe it’s time to try it on 18.

I’m having a hard time taming the amps with the volume control on the guitar… it’s less dynamic

 

[aflynt]

Honestly, I kinda agree with @Olivier SANUY with the reverbs. I can't put my finger on it, but something about the Reverbs sounds different and this is before I read his post. I was playing with the new reverbs last night and it felt, idk, disconnected? I turned the Spread to 200% and it sounded wider, of course, but something is different. I had a simple patch and turned the density to 8 echoes and High quality. I could hear the difference in quality. Tried the new plate reverbs and they sound great. But something sounds off/different. I know this isn't helpful at all. Maybe I can revert back to 9.01 to see if maybe my brain is just playing tricks on me.

Was something done on a fundamental level for all the reverbs?

I will say the change to the EVH amps is

This probably isn't it because it would be pretty obvious, but in my main reverb sound the Pre-Delay got set way too high by the v10 beta update. I had to back it down to about 100ms (was set to like 320ms by the update).

-Aaron

 

[Necr0lancer]

I'll check the Pre-delay! If I have time this weekend, I'll revert back to 9.01 and do an A/B recording of the reverbs. Again, it could just be my brain playing tricks on me.

 

[Necr0lancer]

Was something done on a fundamental level for all the reverbs?

REVERB BLOCK UPDATES
● Improved Reverb block. Reverbs based on real spaces have more immersive and natural sounding reflections.
● Improved early reflections. As a result, the default values of Early Level and Late Level for the models have been updated. Existing presets are automatically updated to the new values. Audition as necessary. The Early and Late Level parameters have also been removed from the Basic page of the Reverb block.
● Added “Pre-Delay Tap” parameter to Reverb block. This selects the input to the reverb engine. When set to OUTPUT the behavior is as before. When set to INPUT the initial delay is absent. This allows more natural “Echo-Verb” sounds. This is now the default for these types of models and existing presets are automatically updated.
● Updated many of the standard Reverb models. Existing presets are not affected. Reselecting the model will load the new default values.

Ok so there were some fundamental changes made. Maybe I was used to the more in-your-face sound previously. Idk. I'll mess around with these settings. I'll try reloading reverb models as well.

"● Updated many of the standard Reverb models. Existing presets are not affected. Reselecting the model will load the new default values."
What does the mean exactly? We have to reload the reverbs for the existing presets to make the changes? Does this mean factory presets or user created presets before FW 10?

 

[Petrocelli]

Ok so there were some fundamental changes made. Maybe I was used to the more in-your-face sound previously. Idk. I'll mess around with these settings. I'll try reloading reverb models as well.

I used a lot of plate reverbs in my 9.01 presets. After the update a had in most of them a CPU overload so i dialed the "Dispersion" back, but wasn't so happy with the sound. I found out, if i do a soft reset with the reverb type and adjust the parameters a little to my taste, it sounds realy better and normal to me and the CPU is also even lower. So most of my presets sound better now and are 3-5% lower in CPU than before.

 

[Stefan27]

I did changed it from 0 to 12. Maybe it’s time to try it on 18.

I’m having a hard time taming the amps with the volume control on the guitar… it’s less dynamic

I don't think the input pad settings affect the actual gain going into your presets. The screenshot below is from the FM3 manual.

 

[Rublalup]

I don't think the input pad settings affect the actual gain going into your presets. The screenshot below is from the FM3 manual.

Yeah I supposed that because it didn’t affect the gain of the amp… I changed the pad from 0 because of the “in clip” warning… but I’m not liking how the amp reacts to the guitar volume knob. I guess if the input level wasn’t changed in the fw I would keep it on 0 as always. Going to check later if that solves the “problem” and report. Maybe I’m just hearing (or not) things

 

[unix-guy]

Yeah I supposed that because it didn’t affect the gain of the amp… I changed the pad from 0 because of the “in clip” warning… but I’m not liking how the amp reacts to the guitar volume knob. I guess if the input level wasn’t changed in the fw I would keep it on 0 as always. Going to check later if that solves the “problem” and report. Maybe I’m just hearing (or not) things

If your presets have a compressor you're probably hearing more level from them.

That's my experience.

 

[unix-guy]

Yes, I can stay in an earlier version, but for how long?

Maybe indefinitely... Nobody but you can decide that.

 

[Olivier SANUY]

Maybe indefinitely... Nobody but you can decide that.

From experience, in the IT world, it's best to keep up with updates to avoid encountering incompatibility issues at some point.
A Windows update can cause problems with an outdated fractal editor, for example...

 

[Olivier SANUY]

Ok so there were some fundamental changes made. Maybe I was used to the more in-your-face sound previously. Idk. I'll mess around with these settings. I'll try reloading reverb models as well.

"● Updated many of the standard Reverb models. Existing presets are not affected. Reselecting the model will load the new default values."
What does the mean exactly? We have to reload the reverbs for the existing presets to make the changes? Does this mean factory presets or user created presets before FW 10?

It's exactly this ... the in-your-face sound.
With the FW10, I don't hear the reverb, it only appears at the end of the sound... I'm exaggerating a little but that's the feeling I have, it doesn't envelop my sound as much while I play.
I mainly use the "mid-room", maybe this change is specific to this model.

 

[unix-guy]

From experience, in the IT world, it's best to keep up with updates to avoid encountering incompatibility issues at some point.
A Windows update can cause problems with an outdated fractal editor, for example...

That has nothing to do with the firmware.

You can stop updating the firmware at any time with no impact other than missing feature updates or bug fixes.

 

[aflynt]

It's exactly this ... the in-your-face sound.
With the FW10, I don't hear the reverb, it only appears at the end of the sound... I'm exaggerating a little but that's the feeling I have, it doesn't envelop my sound as much while I play.
I mainly use the "mid-room", maybe this change is specific to this model.

Have you tried turning down the "Pre-Delay" on your reverb block? I found that firmware 10 increased this value on my main reverb blocks after I installed it.

-Aaron