FM9 Factory Presets version 9.x Release

Hi all- quick question.. when I updated my presets to this newest version, I am getting empty presets across all banks. I can see the presets in the preset viewer, but when I click on one of them, shows up as empty on the FM9.. I am running firmware v9 public beta. I am able to revert back to early version of factory presets (v7.0) but when I try and load any of these v9 presets, shows up empty.. I was coming from firmware 8.01 prior to upgrading to 9.0 public beta.. I have also applied the Dynacabs firmware upgrade (just in case).. Any thoughts on what is happening?
 
Thanks for all the huge amount of work on these presets! They seem to sound better with each release because of the FW updates but also because of all the extra goodies/Easter Eggs you guys add to them! I'm halfway through them at the moment, I keep getting stuck on a fun one and sit for an hour or so just jamming away. The key thing I have noticed here is, there is LOADS of inspiration if you have writers block and are trying to write something completely new - all you have to do is scroll to some random presets and have fun!

Most of these presets are working perfectly, I found some minor anomalies which I posted in the previous thread, which are (please let me know if we should not be reporting things like this in this thread or elsewhere and I won't do anymore):
Preset 358 "Fluff GoT", Scene 7 "WHAMMYYY" has the Pitch Block disabled by default - should this be enabled judging by the scene name?

Preset 333 "Men In The Box", Scene 2 "Wau Manual (Ext 1)" - The Formant block switches over to Channel B, but the Modifier on the Control parameter stays on LFO 1A, probably should be External 1.

Preset 327 "St. Death Fuzz FM9", All Scenes, Filter Block 1, Frequency Parameter is set to Channel B only, am thinking it should be All channels? Channel B is not used on this preset.

Preset 287 "Yngwie by FSM", Scene 2 "Delay A" and Scene 3 "Delay B" are both the same scene, no change in the delays.

Preset 278 "No-Synth Synth" External 1 is not hooked up to any parameters (Scene 8 Name is "(Ext1=Modulation)")

But having said that, I have gone through over 200 presets and the rest are perfect! Thanks guys!
 
Hi all- quick question.. when I updated my presets to this newest version, I am getting empty presets across all banks. I can see the presets in the preset viewer, but when I click on one of them, shows up as empty on the FM9.. I am running firmware v9 public beta. I am able to revert back to early version of factory presets (v7.0) but when I try and load any of these v9 presets, shows up empty.. I was coming from firmware 8.01 prior to upgrading to 9.0 public beta.. I have also applied the Dynacabs firmware upgrade (just in case).. Any thoughts on what is happening?

You need to run "Refresh after new firmware"
 
Thanks.. yes, I have done that a few times to no avail..

Try updating to the newest non beta 9.0 that came out few days ago! However there is a small issue with the plexdelay that won't get fixed until after May 5th, so you may wanna hold off until then if you enjoy plexdelay.

 
Hi all- quick question.. when I updated my presets to this newest version, I am getting empty presets across all banks. I can see the presets in the preset viewer, but when I click on one of them, shows up as empty on the FM9.. I am running firmware v9 public beta. I am able to revert back to early version of factory presets (v7.0) but when I try and load any of these v9 presets, shows up empty.. I was coming from firmware 8.01 prior to upgrading to 9.0 public beta.. I have also applied the Dynacabs firmware upgrade (just in case).. Any thoughts on what is happening?
You’re running older firmware. It can’t recognize the new presets that were made on newer firmware.
 
Try updating to the newest non beta 9.0 that came out few days ago! However there is a small issue with the plexdelay that won't get fixed until after May 5th, so you may wanna hold off until then if you enjoy plexdelay.

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Try updating to the newest non beta 9.0 that came out few days ago! However there is a small issue with the plexdelay that won't get fixed until after May 5th, so you may wanna hold off until then if you enjoy plexdelay.

Thanks.. that seems to have solved it.. appreciate the help
 
I’m confused. “Quacky” and “tone knob all the way down” don’t live in the same house. They’re like opposites of each other.

Turning your tone knob all the way down is a recipe for a dull sound. If that is producing a harsh tone, then there’s something in your setup that’s making it harsh.
Correct not quacky I meant dulling the trebly sound .
 
Hi all- quick question.. when I updated my presets to this newest version, I am getting empty presets across all banks. I can see the presets in the preset viewer, but when I click on one of them, shows up as empty on the FM9.. I am running firmware v9 public beta. I am able to revert back to early version of factory presets (v7.0) but when I try and load any of these v9 presets, shows up empty.. I was coming from firmware 8.01 prior to upgrading to 9.0 public beta.. I have also applied the Dynacabs firmware upgrade (just in case).. Any thoughts on what is happening?
Upgrade to FW 9.0. And 9.0 presets.

I don't believe in risking my performances on beta versions. I only upgrade when a final new release comes out each time.

I mean I waited until just a week ago when Microsoft emailed me they are no longer supporting Windows 10 when I decided it was time to go Windows 11.

It's always nice when you get onto a platform that has been tested out for a while. We all want the latest and greatest but to me reliability is still #1.
 
Please help me out here. I'm really getting frustrated. The Destructive Appetities preset for Slash on Preset 9.0 sounds nothing like Edo playing Slash on the FM9 , in terms of tone not performance, even though I'm using a Slash GB LP Standard, an FM9, and Redsound Elis 8 FRFR Speaker pair cabinets.

So explain to me why am I not getting the same sweet sustain tone? The notes sound harsh even on FW 9.0.

I don't quite get it. And before anyone says no one sounds like Slash overnight I'm not talking about the quality of my performance or whether I even play 3 notes properly. I am talking about playing a SINGLE note and why it doesn't have the sweet sustain of the SINGLE note played by Edo when he performed Slash. It might have sustain but it is HARSH.

I am wondering now was Edo using a LP with different pickups than mine? Was he plugged into a TUBE marshall amp? If so what type? Could it be the difference if not in the FM9 , FW, or presets lies in the PUPS and AMP?

Maybe my Slash GB LP Pups are completely different sounding and my RS Elis 8 is completely different sounding?

How come even on FW 9.0 I can't get the same Slash tone?

When it comes to U2 I nail the tone on my equipment by Edo even though my PUPS are different than his, and I'm using the RS Elis 8. How come I don't nail the tone with Slash on Destructive Appetites in the same manner?


I just played through scenes 3, 4, and 5 of that factory preset with backing tracks tuned down 1/2 step with my 1999 Gibson Les Paul 1960 RI with Gibson 500t and 490r pups. Sounds spot on in a mix.
I personally don't like tones as thin as the factory preset. I think that preset was made to perfectly do Slash's tone, which is 100% killer but is pretty thin in a mix live, by design.
Also, I think I've stated before or made recordings of the 800 2203/2204 a few weeks ago that were pretty close to the clean tone for "Heavens Door" you were looking for. If I'm doing GnR covers, I'm going to the 2203/2204 or the #34 amp models every time with my band. The dirty tones can be had from all albums with those amps mentioned above. If I get around to it this evening, I'll record a dirty and lead tone real quick. But it's nothing fancy..... Amp, cab, delay, reverb.... chorus/delay on the clean tones.
Personally, if you're trying this hard to get a tone out of a "factory preset", I'd just make a custom one that fits your guitar, etc... which took me maybe 10 minutes. 🤷‍♂️
 
Were the volumes balanced out better between the factory presets? My current version factory presets and all prior ones had massive volume variance between presets.
 
Were the volumes balanced out better between the factory presets? My current version factory presets and all prior ones had massive volume variance between presets.
There will always be volume differences between presets, unless you're using exactly the same guitar and pickups that were used when the preset was created.

For instance, some of the factory presets are nicely leveled when I play them with my LP-style guitar with PAF-style pickups. But if I switch to a Tele, those same presets have significant volume differences.
 
I rolled down to FW 8.01 instead and am focusing on U2, Hendrix, and my own original ambient creations.
 
Were the volumes balanced out better between the factory presets? My current version factory presets and all prior ones had massive volume variance between presets.
When the Amp block is improved we might have to adjust our sound. We've lately had improvements to the triode modeling, power tube parameter adjustments and changes to the phase inverter modeling, which can all affect the sound out of the Amp block.

I'm making small tweaks to my presets but overall the sound is noticeably better.

Again.

There will always be volume differences between presets, unless you're using exactly the same guitar and pickups that were used when the preset was created.

For instance, some of the factory presets are nicely leveled when I play them with my LP-style guitar with PAF-style pickups. But if I switch to a Tele, those same presets have significant volume differences.
I notice the same with my own presets. Clean presets don't get pushed as hard by single-coils, and "crunch" presets with single-coils barely begin to break up. Lead presets work OK.

BUT, on stage, at stage volume, I've also found that the additional speaker volume hitting the strings and affecting the pickups, can make my Strats come alive because they're sending additional signal to the amp with the speaker and pickup acoustic feedback.

It's not just pickup sensitivity, it's also the guitar's construction, the weight and metal blend of the strings, your distance from the speakers, the gain in the amp….

I have a nice smattering of PRS guitars and a Fender American Deluxe Strat and a homemade "beater" Strat. And, oddly, the two Strats are the two that really will hold the notes. I think the PRS are better-built guitars, but those Strats, or maybe it's the modifications I've done to them because they're definitely not stock, make them extremely responsive.
 
There will always be volume differences between presets, unless you're using exactly the same guitar and pickups that were used when the preset was created.

For instance, some of the factory presets are nicely leveled when I play them with my LP-style guitar with PAF-style pickups. But if I switch to a Tele, those same presets have significant volume differences.
I understand that some variation in volume is expected due to differences in pickups, but I’ve noticed that many of the presets exhibit volume disparities that seem too significant to be attributed solely to those differences. For instance, when comparing the 65 Bassguy Normal scene to the DoubleVerb Normal scene, the difference feels quite pronounced.

Additionally, even within the same preset, the volume differences can be quite substantial. Take the Archeon Scenes 1 and 2 as an example. While I recognize that one is a clean tone and the other is a lead tone, switching between these scenes reveals a volume gap that seems impractical for most playing scenarios. Could we explore ways to address this for a more balanced experience?
 
Yes - go ahead and adjust them ;)
yeah, no sh1t. But this seems kind of a basic thing that Fractal could do so the many users don't have to. I don't understand how a factory preset only 2 spots away, for example, would be so different in volume for similar amps when they created all these
 
I understand that some variation in volume is expected due to differences in pickups, but I’ve noticed that many of the presets exhibit volume disparities that seem too significant to be attributed solely to those differences. For instance, when comparing the 65 Bassguy Normal scene to the DoubleVerb Normal scene, the difference feels quite pronounced.
The 65 Bassguy factory preset is dialed in to give some distortion. The DoubleVerb preset is almost completely clean. One of the byproducts of distortion is compression.

On my Les Paul, both presets have nearly identical levels, and they both read 0 dB on the leveling meters. There's a significant difference in levels when I use my Tele. That's because the 59 Bassguy preset stays dirty (compressed) with the Tele's lower output, but the DoubleVerb preset's clean (uncompressed) volume drops with that lower guitar output.


You can level any two presets perfectly on a Les Paul. And you can level those same two presets perfectly on a Tele. But you can't make those levels match in a way that works when you switch between those two guitars.
 
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