Game changer for dialing presets!

Thanks! I will have a look at REW and look for a measurement mic. Eq-ing seems then the way to go, to prevent risk of overfitting (though I understood with arc studio there are options to apply less granular, more crude corrections). Regarding latency, I think it should be possible to shoot an IR of the arc studio with the correction applied, by putting it in the loop of axe fx (similar as capturing a factory cab, see the wiki). Then replacing the hardware of arc studio by loading the ir in the ir player within the axe fx should eliminate the additional latency.

You've always been able to do that with REW...there's no point in using Arc Studio for that measurement. The advantage to Arc Studio over an IR Player blocks is: it applies the correction to all audio before it reaches the speaker. Using an IR Player blocks requires you to modify all presets and even then it does not apply to pass through audio.
 
Ah, yes, good point that each preset needs the ir player block then. I saw that earlier in the thread indeed. But you can pass audio via input USB block (from outputs 7+8 from computer) through the ir player block, right?
 
Ah, yes, good point that each preset needs the ir player block then. I saw that earlier in the thread indeed. But you can pass audio via input USB block (from outputs 7+8 from computer) through the ir player block, right?

Yes, you can, but that can get complicated. You need the IR applied to both the separate monitor paths from the Axe-FX and from the DAW, but not to the wet signal you're recording. And that needs to be done to all presets. That will require multiple outputs and multiple IR Player blocks. It can be done, but it makes the simple use of Arc Studio pretty attractive in comparison :).
 
Yes, you can, but that can get complicated. You need the IR applied to both the separate monitor paths from the Axe-FX and from the DAW, but not to the wet signal you're recording. And that needs to be done to all presets. That will require multiple outputs and multiple IR Player blocks. It can be done, but it makes the simple use of Arc Studio pretty attractive in comparison :).

I see. I was experimenting with a PEQ block with similar purpose last week, passing through audio and guitar signal for output for my speakers but not for output for FOH, and it got quite messy indeed. But still... Advantage of PEQ block is that it supports global blocks, which is not the case for IR player block I just found out.
 
@GlennO the new RME firmware can do room correction EQ. It can also load curves from Sonarworks (not sure about REW). 9 bands only but that can already do a lot.

https://rme-audio.de/totalmix-fx-room-eq.html

You can export a table of parametric EQ settings from REW, and you're right, you can a lot with 9 bands of EQ, but it sure would be nice if it had the ability to import a correction IR. And, as I mentioned earlier, it would be nice to see this in an audio interface that doesn't require taking out a mortgage on my home to buy one.
 
Mine arrived today (woohoo).
I did a quick (well I was n a hurry so didn't worry too much about mic placements) 21 point analysis, with my 15 inch three way monitors and it seems pretty good.
A month or two ago, I did a thorough REW analysis ad setup a parametric EQ to smooth out the room. The ARC studio does very similar.

thanks
Pauly
 
I see. I was experimenting with a PEQ block with similar purpose last week, passing through audio and guitar signal for output for my speakers but not for output for FOH, and it got quite messy indeed. But still... Advantage of PEQ block is that it supports global blocks, which is not the case for IR player block I just found out.

I started doing this with my IEMs based on corrections from either squig.link or autoeq.app, and....my IEMs are very good, so the difference is small. But, it's a noticeable improvement.

Oddly enough, this journey started with wanting to try out headphones (which I've never been a huge fan of...always preferred IEMs), and I'm very quickly becoming a convert to somewhat manual corrections. Sadly, the FM3 doesn't have the IR convolver device....and that little thing is quickly climbing the list of reasons to upgrade.

@GlennO the new RME firmware can do room correction EQ. It can also load curves from Sonarworks (not sure about REW). 9 bands only but that can already do a lot.

https://rme-audio.de/totalmix-fx-room-eq.html

Well, that's pretty cool. Thanks for the head's up.
 
Just got mine in the mail and found out I need a separate audio interface to plug in the mic for measurement.

Also, you have to jump through all the hoops of registration and downloading their product manager software to access your free download of the Arc 4 software. For a minute, it looked like I was going to have to pay an extra $200 for the software until I figured it out.

Sharing for anyone else who decides to hop on the bandwagon.
 
Finally got everything set up. Initial thought is I am pretty impressed. The real test will be next time I take my Axe out of the house, but my tone sounds like what my sound guy described last time. I’m pretty excited about having a good home reference to dial in tones.
 
All of you realize, I hope, that any room correction EQ curves should be applied to your monitoring of recorded signal and not to the source signal for recording itself.

Why? Room correction EQ curves are to flatten the frequency response at the listening position you will be sitting at within your room with a particular set of monitors.

No matter how acoustically treated your room is to achieve flatness of response and eliminate modes/nodes, there is still a curve based on the monitors used that needs to be accounted for.

Even if you perfectly flatten your room & monitoring frequency response, you need to take yearly trips to the audiologist to have your hearing tested because your hearing is anything but flat. Knowing that curve will let you know your perceptual shortcomings, so that your eq choices will hopefully translate well in any listening environment.

Remember that listening environments can vary greatly for those who consume your mixes from cell phones to air pods to computer speakers, tv, to consumer grade speakers, to auto speaker environments, to audiophile stuff, to other studio environments. Add to that the variables of streaming encoding, satellite radio encoding, radio/broadcast encoding and its a maze of variables to keep in mind.

I say this as someone who used to work in an Allen Sides designed room with Al Fierstein from Sorcerer Sound NYC coming in every so often to measure and flatten the room.

The best thing you can do so as not to drive yourself mad is to find a curve for your monitoring that allows mixes done in it to translate with pleasing frequency response across environments.

Then when you have sweated all the details of getting something you feel is flat, listen to the difference between the following albums off of CD that were recorded in top notch environments to see how your curve translates:
  • Peter Gabriel- So
  • the first Wilson Philips album
  • Toad the Wet Sprocket - Fear
  • Gretchen Wilson - Here For the Party
  • Metallica - Black album
  • Tool - Ænima

In each recording certain frequencies should jump out at you even though things are "flat" in your room. It will help educate you how things should jump out at you if you want mixes to translate across environments.
 
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Finally got everything set up. Initial thought is I am pretty impressed. The real test will be next time I take my Axe out of the house, but my tone sounds like what my sound guy described last time. I’m pretty excited about having a good home reference to dial in tones.
This morning, my sound man approved of the tone I dialed in using the Ark Studio (which means a lot). This box was everything I hoped it would be, transforming my modest studio monitors in my untreated room into a usable reference.
 
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