Wow. These are really, really good. First IRs I have used that come within spitting distance of my favourite York Audio mixes. Really like this.Try my IR's. Pan Big 5 and Big four 20% right and left and then put the Marshall straight up in the middle and back it down to -10db. Works for Metal and everything else I do.
The moment I went FRFR is when I was using four KRANK cabs and a VHT poweramp live and listened to the mic'd sound thru the P.A. and then the direct sound with Ir's and then I knew I had to switch.
Awesome man! I might try that!Wow. These are really, really good. First IRs I have used that come within spitting distance of my favourite York Audio mixes. Really like this.
I added a little bit of proximity to the Big Four and Marshall mix, and ended up accidentally adding a 421 C TV cab to the last cab spot in the mix at 0db, right up the middle. That 421 mic added a lot of mids back into the mix, which helped for my styles. Added a little low and high cut to taste and blam-mo, a new saved cab block. Incredible work here. Thanks REDD!
FWIW the cab in the room sound/feel with a Loud amp, like a Plexi on 6-7 is unbeatable.Exactly this... I've said the same thing numerous times over the years.
If you can wrap your head around that it all becomes clear.
Nobody but you (and maybe 1 bandmate on stage) will ever hear the real amp / cab from the same perspective as you... You can hear what FOH and the audience hears instead.
The tones we've all chased forever are all recordings, not a cab in the room...
Sure... But nobody in the audience (or even your band) is going to hear it the same as you.FWIW the cab in the room sound/feel with a Loud amp, like a Plexi on 6-7 is unbeatable.
As I'm waiting for my FM9 purchase invite (hopefully July) I'm working out scenarios to get the system up and running quick when it shows up, Since I run IEM's and will have a FRFR floor monitor just for feedback and sustain does it make sense to set up the FM9 with 2 Headrush 108's in the basement to get it close, then plug into our FOH to tweak it? I'm not really concerned about the IEM's initially but more worried about dialing in what's coming out of the FOH system. Question is how close will I get with the FRFR's to the FOH sound?
Thanks Scott! How well did that translate to your FOH system? I know every system is different but.......I have the same setup. When the FM9 arrives, install the EQ curve (Output 1, 2, or 3 your choice for the HR cabs) that is being talked about in the "Flattening the Headrush Curve" thread.
Try that at home at 85db to get is sounding right, avoiding the Fletcher Munson curve.
This is going to be fun!!
So basically it's a case of people new to FRFR or to modelers in general are still expecting it to sound like a real amp the way it does when you stand in front of it yourself and play through one, without perhaps realising it's simulating a recorded guitar sound.Going from amps to modeling can be a shock to the system if you're trying to capture the same feel of the "amp in the room". I've said it before in other threads, but my 'aha moment' came when realized that modelers create a guitar sound, the same guitar sound you hear when listening to a CD.
I was listening to a Joe Satriani album at my PC and was thoroughly enjoying it as usual. One time in particular, it struck me as odd that I wasn't thinking that the guitar didn't sound right because the amps weren't in the room with me, it was just good music with great guitar tones. It dawned on me that this is the sound that the AX8 (at the time) was creating.
I was using an amp and cab to power the AX8 but was not really sold on the tones the tones I was getting at home. After listening to the album, I plugged the AX8 into my interface and attempted to create some of the tones I was hearing and wouldn't you know it, I was able to get pretty close! I stopped chasing the AITR sound and began experiencing my guitar tones as recorded sounds. Wrapping my head around this 'philosophy' was a breakthrough for me and really opened the potential of amp modeling, making it much more enjoyable. It's been well over 5 years since I used an amp and cab for any reason, I get everything I need from my Axe III/FM3 through studio monitors.
I have 1 RedSound Elis.8. Has anyone here compared it to the MF10 - not for volume - more for tonal character?I often do a year-end wrap-up of products I tried that I found to be worth recommending. There weren't many this year, but here's one of them, which we'll call my two cents.
The Red Sound MF10s are a new favorite for me. I put them up against a few boutique-y tube combos at an invitational jam a few weeks ago and they simply soared. I used a PEQ to find a spot where I could sit in the mix and copy-pasted it to a few scenes with channel tweaks, and voila. Big sound. Clear sound. Great sound. I'm a stereo junkie, so there's that. I am a lifting lightweight too, and the pair of them weighs less than most tube amps. They're hard to get though, like everything these days.
If you're used to only monitoring yourself onstage with your Amp and cab, then I think you're on the right track here.So basically it's a case of people new to FRFR or to modelers in general are still expecting it to sound like a real amp the way it does when you stand in front of it yourself and play through one, without perhaps realising it's simulating a recorded guitar sound.
I've always tone matched and jammed along with albums, so my tones sit perfectly in the mix as you would expect, a recorded type of tone playing along with a recorded album, Probably wouldn't work as well with a real amp.
I expect, guys who are used to playing live with a real amp, are used to a different sound entirely which could me missing a little when you go with modeler + FRFR.
It's an interesting comparison actually as to who perceives the difference more, the player or the audience? I'm thinking the audience doesn't know the difference. I do know how fussy guitar players are though when they have a sound in their head that they can't quite nail.
I used the HR 108's live for personal monitoring before a good forum member posted the Flattening EQ curve.Thanks Scott! How well did that translate to your FOH system? I know every system is different but.......
Also once you set it up for the FRFR's, how did it sound in the IEM's? I'm sure I'll find out eventually but I'm trying to get a handle on things in advance. Thanks again!!
I did, I have both. A stereo set Elis 8 and a pair of MF10. Please read my review and comparison in the amps and cabs section.I have 1 RedSound Elis.8. Has anyone here compared it to the MF10 - not for volume - more for tonal character?