As mentioned above a couple of times, this discussion doesn't relate to guitars, mostly just pedals / pro sound type items (maybe amps in some cases).It’s hard for a guitar store to have 2 of every guitar they sell and know they won’t sell or lose money on one of them.
As mentioned above a couple of times, this discussion doesn't relate to guitars, mostly just pedals / pro sound type items (maybe amps in some cases).
Because a guitar is a guitar and a pedal is a pedal.How is a pedal different than a guitar though ?
As I mention above, I recognize retailers' challenge wrt guitars since they are often considered personal in a way, so guitarists want to try them to see if there is one that "speaks" to them. Personally, maybe due to being a lefty, and unable to easily demo guitars, I am not so so hung up on finding "the one". So my own concerns about buying a possibly heavily demo'd / abused product at full price apply to guitars also. In fact, my strat was ordered despite an in-store lefty model available to purchase immediately. I don't think that's totally unreasonable given the treatment I've seen some guitars given while being demo'd in store and having no idea what sort of treatment the guitar I'm holding has had (more so for leftys as there is often only a couple of them in the store that many have possibly demo'd (including the ones that like to do dive bombs on fixed bridge guitars by pushing forward on the neck lol!). But I get the whole "the one" thing - my SG is one of those - tried it in store - fell in love - the heart wants what it wants.How is a pedal different than a guitar though ?
It’s okay if someone else’s fingers have been over the fretboard.
if a pedal has had its knobs turned or it’s foot switch clicked on/off, it’s no longer “new” enough?
a QC guy who plugs them all in and plays a bit
a “new” pedal has already had its switch stomped
a cable into its input jack
So these are all extreme scenarios you've made up to make it seem like my concerns are ridiculous eh? If you've read above, you'll see I'm talking about new pedals sold with no box or ratty box / gear that's been heavily demo'd or suspected to have been. Would you be comfortable / confident buying a Revv or JHS pedal with no box at full price?, or the same instance of a tube amp you saw being demo'd in store months ago (and wondering how many hours it has on it now)? I'm gonna guess that you would not be comfortable despite your response above.a second person plugged into it at a shop for 5 minutes
Because a guitar is a guitar and a pedal is a pedal.
They are very different items and require different inspection/verification/validation before buying.
I've never clicked on a Boss pedal and said - hmmmm, this pedal doesn't click as smoothly as my last pedal....and the finish isn't as nice.
Guitars - totally different story. Every guitar feels different and that defines our connection to the instrument as well as our playing.
Back to OP:
I would not pay full price for a demo pedal, simply because I can buy a mint one on Reverb/Ebay for less than full price.
If I'm playing full price - it's new in the box. Period.
I'm not saying I need that to be the case....I buy used pedals. But I wouldn't pay full price.
Call me what you will
As I mention above, I recognize retailers' challenge wrt guitars since they are often considered personal in a way, so guitarists want to try them to see if there is one that "speaks" to them. Personally, maybe due to being a lefty, and unable to easily demo guitars, I am not so so hung up on finding "the one". So my own concerns about buying a possibly heavily demo'd / abused product at full price apply to guitars also. In fact, my strat was ordered despite an in-store lefty model available to purchase immediately. I don't think that's totally unreasonable given the treatment I've seen some guitars given while being demo'd in store and having no idea what sort of treatment the guitar I'm holding has had (more so for leftys as there is often only a couple of them in the store that every lefty in the city has possibly demo'd possibly including the ones that like to do dive bombs on fixed bridge guitars by pushing forward on the neck lol!). But I get the whole "the one" thing - my SG is one of those - tried it in store - fell in love - the heart wants what it wants.
So these are all extreme scenarios you've made up to make it seem like my concerns are ridiculous eh? If you've read above, you'll see I'm talking about new pedals sold with no box or ratty box / gear that's been heavily demo'd or suspected to have been. Would you be comfortable / confident buying a Revv or JHS pedal with no box at full price?, or the same instance of a tube amp you saw being demo'd in store months ago (and wondering how many hours it has on it now)? I'm gonna guess that you would not be comfortable despite your response above.
fair enough - but you responded to me above with examples that are completely out of context to the scenarios I've described and to what I intended this thread to be about when I posted it.I’m not trying to make light of anything or addressing any one person over another.
Simply a general question for those involved in the thread and the general consensus that it seems more okay to have something like a guitar previously handled, but saying something like a pedal should be new in box, meaning never opened.
I’m simply interested in what makes one thing different than the other for some people ?
It’s not a judgement or saying they are right or wrong, but simply trying to get an understanding of their viewpoint as from my perspective I don’t quite see the distinction
+1 - Fractal cures most of my gas - but I do tend to "fall of the wagon" now and then.I understand the desire for “untouched”, but what I’ve noticed lately is I don’t even care about whatever is out there, The tools we have at hand can create it. I don’t need more.
There is so much power and capability in the modelers that we haven’t even begun to figure out what they can do. And they get more powerful with each revision. And if we run into a dead end we only have to show a good use-case and it will show up.
There's a difference between those 2 however: With a "demo" unit, it is sold as new, you are the first owner, so you get the warranty. With less-than-full-price, mint gear, there's no warranty since you're not the original owner, unless it's transferable, which unless it's sold in a country that has laws requiring it to be, I doubt there's many, if any, companies that offer that any more. Even Mesa Boogie stopped doing that in 2019 I believe.I would not pay full price for a demo pedal, simply because I can buy a mint one on Reverb/Ebay for less than full price.
Lots of ways. As an example, when I bought my Taylor 714ce at GC, the one on display had signs of being played. I didn't care about the fact it had been a demo, but I wasn't about to pay full price for that particular guitar, with old-ish strings, and swirls on the pickguard.How is a pedal different than a guitar though?
Where did he say that?So these are all extreme scenarios you've made up to make it seem like my concerns are ridiculous eh?
I quoted those scenarios above - If you'd prefer I say "stated?" instead of "made up?", then ok, I'll revise - point I was trying to make - I think pretty clearly, was that those scenarios (ie QC usage) are not at all the kind of thing I'm referring to in the context of this thread, but i agreed (see above) to discuss the nuances of new vs used characteristics if we want.Where did he say that?
He didn't make it seem like your concerns were ridiculous. He just asked questions. You need to lighten up!I quoted those scenarios above - If you'd prefer I say "stated?" instead of "made up?", then ok, I'll revise - point I was trying to make - I think pretty clearly, was that those scenarios (ie QC usage) are not at all the kind of thing I'm referring to in the context of this thread, but i agreed (see above) to discussed the nuances of new vs used characteristics if we want.
dunno - being concerned cuz a QC tech tested yur new pedal before it went in the box sounds a little extreme / rediculous to me even as curmudgeoner awaiting final diagnosis - but to each their own.Holy shit, I’ve been using the word “extreme” entirely wrong my whole life.