More immediacy?

Can you elaborate on your term immediacy? Are you referring to the dynamics, volume, gain, pick attack, etc.?
Also did you check your global setting to make sure your outputs are set to +4 on the AXE III?
 
Are the input levels of each unit set properly for the guitar you are using? Running a weak signal into the Axe-FX where it's supposed to be higher can completely ruin your tone.
 
Tommy Tempest said:
Can you elaborate on your term immediacy? Are you referring to the dynamics, volume, gain, pick attack, etc.?
Also did you check your global setting to make sure your outputs are set to +4 on the AXE III?
Click to expand...

When I play the II the notes seems to jump out of the CLRs more and do so more quickly. The III seems to be a tamed down version by comparison.
 
GrindcoreHank said:
Are the input levels of each unit set properly for the guitar you are using? Running a weak signal into the Axe-FX where it's supposed to be higher can completely ruin your tone.
Click to expand...

Same guitar, same settings. I am trying to run a single variable experiment as best as possible.
 
What do you mean by immediacy? Do you mean tightness in the bass? I like to lower sag and add power tube hardness. I know there was a firmware update that reset the power amp hardness to 5; maybe that's different between your Axe II and Axe III. Finally, what amp model are you using? If its a Mesa Mark style amp, lowering the bass and even some of the mids can tighten up the sound a great deal.
 
yoitsmegabe said:
What do you mean by immediacy? Do you mean tightness in the bass? I like to lower sag and add power tube hardness. I know there was a firmware update that reset the power amp hardness to 5; maybe that's different between your Axe II and Axe III. Finally, what amp model are you using? If its a Mesa Mark style amp, lowering the bass and even some of the mids can tighten up the sound a great deal.
Click to expand...

As I said previously, I have lowered the SAG to as low as it will go before P.A. I have the power tube hardness on 8.5 just as on II.

Fryette 60 More amplifier.
 
luke said:
When I play the II the notes seems to jump out of the CLRs more and do so more quickly. The III seems to be a tamed down version by comparison.
Click to expand...

I experienced this too when I switched. I suspect the III is more "accurate" with a lot more realistic compression factors, some of which are on by default.

On AMPs I almost always turn down/off: Speaker Compression, Speaker Compliance, Speaker Drive. I play with SAG too which can bring up punch/immediacy. You can also try turning off Preamp Sag in the Advanced tab.

Another option is to use a dynamic compressor for dynamic expansion before or after the amp, perhaps using side chain on input 1.
 
Last edited:
phil92 said:
it's only free if you pirate it

it's 60 bucks for a discounted license, still insanely cheap, please support the dude and pay for your license
Click to expand...

Cockos encourages users to purchase a license if they're going to use the software beyond the 60 day trial period; however, the demo will continue to function without restriction in Evaluation Mode.
 
luke said:
Do any of the parameters, other than the SAG control, assist in creating a greater sense of immediacy? I want the sound to feel as though it is jumping out more than I have been able to find in the III.
Click to expand...


Speaker page in the amp block: turn speaker compliance and speaker compression to zero. make sure output compression is at zero in the amp dynamics page also.

I like notes to bloom, swell and explode :) so I do opposite of what I just said above. I thought pick attack was more immediate in fw12.03.
 
yyz67 said:
I experienced this too when I switched. I suspect the III is more "accurate" with a lot more realistic compression factors, some of which are on by default.
Click to expand...

This. Coming from an AX8, at first I thought I was experiencing what the OP is experiencing. However, after auditioning a few models of amps that I’ve actually owned, the Mesa Boogie Mark IV for example, I realized that what I was “feeling” was a closer representation of the real amp.
 
Speaker impedance curves may play a role here. The newer curves sound more organic and detailed to me, but I can see how the difference might be perceived as less immediacy. Might be worth dialing in the same impedance curve as you're using on the II.
 
lyricbread said:
I realized that what I was “feeling” was a closer representation of the real amp.
Click to expand...
James Nash said:
The newer curves sound more organic and detailed to me
Click to expand...

Yeah, some of us coming from less realistic modelers (even prior FAS models) can get used to an almost DI feel. What I've started to hear and feel with so many of the amps now with the III is a vibrancy and organicness, especially with 12.03.
 
You must log in or register to reply here.
Back
Top Bottom