Tonedeaf
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Mary Ann when I was younger, Ginger when I got older.Mary Ann.
Mary Ann when I was younger, Ginger when I got older.Mary Ann.
Especially if you have a floating trem!Never intonate to a capo note. It is not the same as if you fret it.
When setting up anything on a guitar, any note should be fretted exactly the same way you would when playing.How hard should you fret the string?
I stopped doing business with that place that says they do a 55-point inspection due to MANY problems with the last several guitars a bought from them, and because of how they chose to handle the issues I raised. BTW, these guitars were all around $2500 Fenders.Thank you for the replies and ideas and yes to Mary Ann...lol. I ask about this topic because I have had 2 brand new $2200.00 guitars, in the last 6 months, arrive with (not minor) intonation issues and that is after the purported '55 point inspection'. The Strandberg I traded off because of tuning and intonation issues. Now I have a new Tele Ultra that when I tune open low E and 12th fret the saddle literally won't go back enough and when I fretted 3rd the G was ridiculously too sharp. I then started considering the nut was too high and sure enough it was. I filed the slots to more reasonable specs, and it was an improvement, but no where near what I would think a guitar in this category should be.
I realize non-temperament guitars are mathematically incorrect and $$$ don't always equal quality but I have some much cheaper guitars that are far more spot on. I think I will be trying some fret to fret methods to eliminate possible remaining nut errors.
I use the G7th capos with a light grip. I get what you’re saying though.Never intonate to a capo note. It is not the same as if you fret it.
Correct me if I’m wrong, but the Force of a capo shouldn’t affect anything from that fret to the bridge. Cinch it down with as much force as any capo I’m familiar with, and as long as you can still tune the string the rest of the intonation should not be affected.Never intonate to a capo note. It is not the same as if you fret it.
Some capos can pull the strings sharp.Correct me if I’m wrong, but the Force of a capo shouldn’t affect anything from that fret to the bridge. Cinch it down with as much force as any capo I’m familiar with, and as long as you can still tune the string the rest of the intonation should not be affected.
Like I said, “as long as you can still tune the string…”Some capos can pull the strings sharp.
Intonation is also dependent on how you play. Do you have a death grip, a light grip, something in between?
If you bend the string down at all with the capo it will behave differently during intonation.Correct me if I’m wrong, but the Force of a capo shouldn’t affect anything from that fret to the bridge. Cinch it down with as much force as any capo I’m familiar with, and as long as you can still tune the string the rest of the intonation should not be affected.
I just tried that, using two different capos. I have a Kyser that I modified with a lighter spring for electric that basically just barely frets the string. And a Shub (sp?) that I can put as much force down on as I care to. According to my Peterson tuner, it made no difference in the intonation of the string.If you bend the string down at all with the capo it will behave differently during intonation.
how big are the frets?I just tried that, using two different capos. I have a Kyser that I modified with a lighter spring for electric that basically just barely frets the string. And a Shub (sp?) that I can put as much force down on as I care to. According to my Peterson tuner, it made no difference in the intonation of the string.
This is the best method I have ever found.Tune the strings to third fret notes not open strings and intonate it at the 15th fret.
1.36mm high, 2.76mm wide as best I can measure them. But I can kind of see what you're driving at, so I did a more extreme experiment.how big are the frets?
It seems to me that many people do not realize that whenever you fret a note, you are stretching the string.
And how hard you fret a note can stretch the string even more.
These differences may be small on some guitars but why do things that even theoretically create anomaly . The hight of the fret , the crowning of the fret. The aim here is to replicate the playing experience not see how many things we can bend before it breaks . Also the Peterson only reads to 1/10th of a cent , the turbo does 1/50th.1.36mm high, 2.76mm wide as best I can measure them. But I can kind of see what you're driving at, so I did a more extreme experiment.
I have a guitar that uses a zero fret. I first checked that the intonation was good on it at that zero fret and at 7th, 12th, and 15th frets. It's pretty solid for all three of those.
I then put a capo behind the nut to bend the strings even more, as though I have a scalloped fretboard. I can get a good 1/4" of bend with teh capo this way. I retuned the instrument, and checked the intonation.
It may have made a barely noticeable difference in intonation on the 5th and 6th strings (which seemed to measure very slightly sharp with the capo on), but not elsewhere. And in my experience, what I was seeing was well within the variance of what I'd expect my fingers to be pushing beyond as I was chording. This is with a standard set of 10's.
Maybe you should try this on your turbo and quantify the actual differences for us.These differences may be small on some guitars but why do things that even theoretically create anomaly . The hight of the fret , the crowning of the fret. The aim here is to replicate the playing experience not see how many things we can bend before it breaks . Also the Peterson only reads to 1/10th of a cent , the turbo does 1/50th.