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BaronVonGrim said:
He is good at making money.

He is a humanitarian and probably will offer Starlink at a extremely inexpensive price. It's to spread education around the world in increase people's IQ and help them catch up to modern society.

Would take 500 years to build a base on Mars?
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People will just use it to yell at each other online, watch crazy cat vids and free porn. After all, Steve Jobs thought the smartphone would make us smarter, but it only made us even more stupid.

AxeFxCurious said:
This is such a distraction from the work that needs to be done on Earth.

Radiation will cook humans on the journey, they still haven't figured that part out.

A dream to terraform Mars because we are screwing up our planet is so backwards. Get those "smart" people working on the real dangers.

This fosters a careless attitude about Earth.
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If we can't advance to the next level till we fix our current problems Alexander the Great should never have set out for Persia, Columbus never to cross the Atlantic. hell, the first cavemen who left Africa should have stayed put too. There's always stuff to fix first. And you know what? Its not the dreamers like Musk who want humanity to reach for the stars who are stopping us from solving our current shit, IT'S US! As Lewis Black said, we could have had clean renewable energy, we chose instead to pour our best and brightest in mobile phone technology, social media and addictive apps. And let us never forget how much more gets wasted in the military industrial complex to build shit that blows other shit up.

If we really want to save our planet we should HEAVILY invest in space technology because the best way to save our planet is get humanity off it so we can turn it into a nature reserve. We got to terraform Mars, turn the Moon into an industrial zone, put O'Neill cylinders all over the place and start sending colony ships to other stars. If only for a simple reason, the sun is slowly getting hotter as it gets older. 600 million years tops all life on Earth will die as a hotter sun will cook the planet anyway. By that time that backwards terraformed Mars is going to look mighty appealing.
 
This is such a distraction from the work that needs to be done on Earth.
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I think you don't understand what this is all about. This is not a "distraction", this is "inspiration". Absent the Cold War and Space Race this country needs a proper challenge. Putting people on Mars is the hardest challenge imaginable that's also realistic. Even if there's never a base on mars, the technology developed for the purpose will benefit us here on Earth for hundreds of years to come. I'd much rather we stopped bombing people in the Middle East for a year or two instead, and spent, say, 10% of our military budget on this. We'd be having vacations on Pluto by now if we did that.
 
plexi59 said:
I think you don't understand what this is all about. This is not a "distraction", this is "inspiration". Absent the Cold War and Space Race this country needs a proper challenge. Putting people on Mars is the hardest challenge imaginable that's also realistic. Even if there's never a base on mars, the technology developed for the purpose will benefit us here on Earth for hundreds of years to come. I'd much rather we stopped bombing people in the Middle East for a year or two instead, and spent, say, 10% of our military budget on this. We'd be having vacations on Pluto by now if we did that.
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The cold war.... the space race... its beginning again. Moon base 1.
Russians are teaming up with the Chinese to build a moon base at the pole.
There's statistically been a significant uptick of asteroids lately. Seems like they are trying to find a way to reseed humanity.
I bet planet X is real, these asteroids are outskirts of a debris field..
 
plexi59 said:
I think you don't understand what this is all about. This is not a "distraction", this is "inspiration". Absent the Cold War and Space Race this country needs a proper challenge. Putting people on Mars is the hardest challenge imaginable that's also realistic. Even if there's never a base on mars, the technology developed for the purpose will benefit us here on Earth for hundreds of years to come. I'd much rather we stopped bombing people in the Middle East for a year or two instead, and spent, say, 10% of our military budget on this. We'd be having vacations on Pluto by now if we did that.
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In old days, when things were bad in your tribe/village, you left and explored, went somewhere else, found a new home. Its in human psychology.

That strategy no longer works. There isn't anywhere to go. Mars is not habitable, there are not enough of the right elements to terraform it, even if we could. Humans can't survive the radiation of the trip to Mars and back. Its a death sentence. Elon Musk is just playing games with people's imaginations.

The smart people at NASA are happy to take the grant money and play with rockets even though it has zero societal value. The race to the Moon? We got some nice pictures, but largely it was just part of the Soviet arms race. We haven't been back to the moon in 50 years. Mars will largely be the same thing.

The rovers will show that there hasnt been any geological activity in billions of years. Someone is hoping to find a fossil of an amoeba. They won't find one, but if they do, it will just change the equation for life in the universe, which won't change our actions in any way except to make people more Nihilistic. People are dreaming about excavating a tunnel and growing potatotes underground using solar energy. They will call that a colony. People living there will die from low G and radiation. Its not good science. Its just another high mountain for thrill seekers to climb.

What the "smart" people need to do is stop dreaming about what is out there are focus on the real challenges. Its a distraction. I don't want the kid with a 160 IQ playing with rockets. We need his intelligence solving problems on earth.
 
AxeFxCurious said:
In old days, when things were bad in your tribe/village, you left and explored, went somewhere else, found a new home. Its in human psychology.

That strategy no longer works. There isn't anywhere to go. Mars is not habitable, there are not enough of the right elements to terraform it, even if we could. Humans can't survive the radiation of the trip to Mars and back. Its a death sentence. Elon Musk is just playing games with people's imaginations.
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You don't need to terraform Mars for humans to live there. And if you can generate an electro magnetic field around it its atmosphere will slowly regenerate itself, doing the terraforming for us. And getting there is the easy part. Science can fix that, especially once we can mine the moon for resources.
AxeFxCurious said:
The smart people at NASA are happy to take the grant money and play with rockets even though it has zero societal value. The race to the Moon? We got some nice pictures, but largely it was just part of the Soviet arms race. We haven't been back to the moon in 50 years. Mars will largely be the same thing.
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We haven't been back to the moon because the only value it had to governments was as a PR stunt. That was what they sold us on it. Gotta get there before the Russians do! Once that was achieved public interest waned. And the USSR not picking up the slack didn't help either. The moon is our stepping stone into space because with a gravity of only 1/6th of Earth its much easier to lift the heavy materials we need for space infrastructure into space,

AxeFxCurious said:
The rovers will show that there hasnt been any geological activity in billions of years. Someone is hoping to find a fossil of an amoeba. They won't find one, but if they do, it will just change the equation for life in the universe, which won't change our actions in any way except to make people more Nihilistic.
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If NASA finds signs of life on Mars, or Venus, or Europa that will be the biggest paradigm change in both biology and philosophy since Darwin penned down the Theory of Evolution. Maybe that means nothing to you, but it has been a MASSIVE impact to science, philosophy, religion and culture in general. Right now all we know about life is that we have a statistical sample of one, Earth. And you can't extrapolate on a sample of one. Can life only exist under the exact same conditions as we have here on Earth and the solar system? Or can it exist elsewhere too and form under different conditions? And sorry, but the money wasted by the Pentagon on the F-35 project could have funded a whole fleet of Mars Rovers and missions to the other planets.

AxeFxCurious said:
People are dreaming about excavating a tunnel and growing potatotes underground using solar energy. They will call that a colony. People living there will die from low G and radiation. Its not good science. Its just another high mountain for thrill seekers to climb.

What the "smart" people need to do is stop dreaming about what is out there are focus on the real challenges. Its a distraction. I don't want the kid with a 160 IQ playing with rockets. We need his intelligence solving problems on earth.
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Again, if you want to save Earth get governments to stop wasting money on weapons and get corporations to stop wasting our best and brightest on mobile phones, social media and apps. NASA gets a pittance of the budgets that the Pentagon and Silicon Valley waste on weapons and stuff to make us dumber.

And again, the best way to save Earth is to get humanity off this planet. If only to save ourselves because the sun will kill us eventually, and the Kuiper Belt and Oort Cloud house millions of asteroids and comets that can come our way.
 
BaronVonGrim said:
The cold war.... the space race... its beginning again. Moon base 1.
Russians are teaming up with the Chinese to build a moon base at the pole.
There's statistically been a significant uptick of asteroids lately. Seems like they are trying to find a way to reseed humanity.
I bet planet X is real, these asteroids are outskirts of a debris field..
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Neither country can build a base there in the foreseeable future. Both lack the tech to do so, and Russia doesn’t have the money to do it. This is empty posturing. Heck, even the United States no longer has the tech. That’s what Musk is trying to fix.
 
Muad'zin said:
NASA gets a pittance of the budgets
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Disagree. They get far more per year than Musk spent developing and testing his reusable boosters. I mean, sure, we could fund them more, but before we do that we should cancel the ridiculous, useless boondoggles like SLS. I know it’s politically impossible to cancel something like SLS (or F35), so I’m not holding my breath.
 
Humans will be a temporary phase. Earth will be fine much longer, but also not indefinately. That s just how things go.
The only thing we can do with our limited time is live it out and hopefulky dont get to entangled in a war or money race or whatever if that s not your thing.

If we want to make it cosy for everyone, i personally believe we should make less kids. Anyhow, utopia is called just that for a reason. Just think of a simple MV button/knob discussion and i'm glad we already made it this far.

Kidding aside: elon musk-> i'm afraid i just plain don t like that guy. But i doubt if he cares 😊
 
Elon Musk also has like 6 kids, and I'm sure he'll make more while he's still able. That's what I'd do if I was a billionaire - spawn a huge horde of kids, like 10 or more. Kids are great, and you don't want to die alone, especially if you plan to die on Mars.
 
That test was really great one:). I can't stop admiring Elon because everything he does is stunning. Each prototype test proves to be more and more successful than the previous one. Moreover, I wouldn't be surprised if they'll learn how to land prototypes successfully earlier than they'd planned and will send a mission to Mars much earlier. Ground rocket tests, high-altitude flight tests are my most favorite events, of course, after launches. Tests and launches of SpaceX, NASA, ESA, and other famous space agencies are especially interesting for me, but I don't forget to keep an eye on young startups. Skyrora is one of the companies that interest me. Launch vehicles they manufacture make me think that it's a space company UK must be proud of. I'm sure that Skyrora will make the United Kingdom a spacefaring nation.
 
Muad'zin said:
People will just use it to yell at each other online, watch crazy cat vids and free porn. After all, Steve Jobs thought the smartphone would make us smarter, but it only made us even more stupid.


If we can't advance to the next level till we fix our current problems Alexander the Great should never have set out for Persia, Columbus never to cross the Atlantic. hell, the first cavemen who left Africa should have stayed put too. There's always stuff to fix first. And you know what? Its not the dreamers like Musk who want humanity to reach for the stars who are stopping us from solving our current shit, IT'S US! As Lewis Black said, we could have had clean renewable energy, we chose instead to pour our best and brightest in mobile phone technology, social media and addictive apps. And let us never forget how much more gets wasted in the military industrial complex to build shit that blows other shit up.

If we really want to save our planet we should HEAVILY invest in space technology because the best way to save our planet is get humanity off it so we can turn it into a nature reserve. We got to terraform Mars, turn the Moon into an industrial zone, put O'Neill cylinders all over the place and start sending colony ships to other stars. If only for a simple reason, the sun is slowly getting hotter as it gets older. 600 million years tops all life on Earth will die as a hotter sun will cook the planet anyway. By that time that backwards terraformed Mars is going to look mighty appealing.
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*stupider

(j/k lol but it’s true, smartphones have made stupid people believe their smart while making smart people turn dull, if not such a loss in sharpness to call it the onset of stupidity

all I know is, when I didn’t have a computer and a T3 connection in my pocket 24/7, I was a lot sharper, quicker on my feet, and generally happier and more creative

the only thing that is a technological huge leap and advancement that isn’t a negative or drawback to my lifestyle is my axe fx 3 and Mac mini m1 wLogic Pro- I mean that
 
C Holdz said:
*stupider

all I know is, when I didn’t have a computer and a T3 connection in my pocket 24/7, I was a lot sharper, quicker on my feet, and generally happier and more creative
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I don't know about you, but I was younger then, too!

Then again, I didn't have 40-odd events on my work calendar every damn week, wasn't getting interrupted every 5-8 damn minutes.

On Tuesday in the mid-morning I just snapped and turned off all the things that usually disturb me just so I could gather my wits and decompress for a moment.

And 3 hours later I looked back and realized I'd totally forgetten a weekly meeting. Nobody's yelled at me about it yet, though.
 
Anyone see the rocket booster that burned in over the Pac NW yesterday? One of my buddies watched it happen - pretty crazy.

He pulled this off Twitter:

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Iron1 said:
Anyone see the rocket booster that burned in over the Pac NW yesterday? One of my buddies watched it happen - pretty crazy.

He pulled this off Twitter:

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Looks like the ending of the movie, Independence Day...when they 'blowed' up the mothership!

Here's a video!

 
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I would buy a jet pack
HerrSquid said:
I don't know about you, but I was younger then, too!

Then again, I didn't have 40-odd events on my work calendar every damn week, wasn't getting interrupted every 5-8 damn minutes.
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thats a fairpoint too dude
I still Feel degrading somewhere in my bioCPU
 
About time we got back to the moon. The moon is the gateway to humanity's future in space. Where we can find the building materials to build our space infrastructure and lift it up into space at a fraction of Earth's gravity. Now if it will happen is another matter. Previous presidents have announced manned missions to the moon and Mars before and nothing came of it. Which makes sense, because without an increase in budget there's no way that NASA can do it. Not without axing completely the other exploration missions. It will probably have to be the private sector, if it sees profit in establishing an industrial presence on the moon, to do the actual work.
 
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