Tuning 1/2 step down without using pitch shift..?

NyteOwl said:
I understand all about using a chromatic tuner, and there isn't anything to "get" because it's just a personal preference.

I am not looking for anything special or out of the ordinary; I just want to tune my guitar down a half-step, and when doing so see an E displayed when I'm tuning the 1st or 6th strings, without having to look for a little flat sign. Every single tuner I've owned over the last 10 years was capable of doing that, and I find it very convenient when working in a band that tunes down a half-step for everything. I was just asking if the Axe offered a similar feature.
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I haven't used the offsets but the 9.01 manual says they are +/- 12.7hz.

E2 = 82.41 hz
Eb2 = 77.78 hz

Seems like the offsets would work? Caveat I haven't tried using them.

Richard
 
yek said:
So you want a tuner that displays E when it's actually Eb... ?

Seems more logical to me to have the tuner display the string number (1-6), in such a case.
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That would certainly work just as well, but as previously mentioned I'm just used to seeing string names as opposed to numbers, so it's like a "go with what you know" scenario for me.

barhrecords said:
I haven't used the offsets but the 9.01 manual says they are +/- 12.7hz.

E2 = 82.41 hz
Eb2 = 77.78 hz
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Yes, the manual does say that, but when you go to the tuner offsets page it shows each string's offset value at 0.00 cents, so that's what one would adjust.

Again, I appreciate everyone's input. Thanks!!
 
The offset and calibration currently do not support a half step down. That would require offsets of 100 cents or calibrating A to 415Hz.
 
NyteOwl said:
I understand all about using a chromatic tuner, and there isn't anything to "get" because it's just a personal preference.

I am not looking for anything special or out of the ordinary; I just want to tune my guitar down a half-step, and when doing so see an E displayed when I'm tuning the 1st or 6th strings, without having to look for a little flat sign. Every single tuner I've owned over the last 10 years was capable of doing that, and I find it very convenient when working in a band that tunes down a half-step for everything. I was just asking if the Axe offered a similar feature.
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To each their own, but I would think this would be more confusing. I want to look at the tuner and know exactly what the string is tuned to. I have multiple guitars...some in standard E, some in Eb. I don't want to have to worry about offsets and configurations in the tuner menu. Just show me the true pitch of the string.
 
It would totally confuse me and leave things open for error when I set it to Eb but showing E then next gig where I really need an E I get Eb.
Surely everyone is capable of doing this mentally. It's not rocket science.
I'd rather Cliff work on stuff that adds real values.
Am ducking now.
 
i think this is a battle between convenience and music theory.

it's convenient to think of the strings of a 6 string guitar as EADGBE, no matter how it's actually tuned. within one band, if everyone tunes down to the same actual notes all the time, they can always call the lowest string E, the next A and so on. "what chord is that?" "it's B minor" "oh ok."

well tuned a 1/2 step down, that's actually Bbm of course... the problem will arise when the people in that band collaborate with other musicians, which may never happen. so for convenience, because that group of musicians always calls the low string "E" it helps if the tuner would show them E when it's offset to 1/2 step down.

when i ran a music store, i would always tell my employees to sell Chromatic tuners, not the Guitar tuners. i just didn't understand how they could make a tuning product that only showed the 6 "correct" notes. i don't even understand how it was easier.

BTW, the right way to use those things is to use the Pitch generator first to tune the string closely by ear, then fine tune using the actual tuner display. first off, if they need a tuner, how do you expect them to tune it by ear. i had many customers pop strings because they couldn't tune by ear to begin with. and how many people do you think were totally confused when all the Pitch generators actually started with B for String #7... "my guitar only has 6 strings!" "oh they want you to just ignore that one" "why put it there!"

anyway, when i sold the chromatic tuners, i wrote down the notes the strings should be tuned to. i showed them where these notes were relative to each other from low to high. i showed them as they tune the string up, they are moving from c to c# to d to d# and finally e. oops, you went to far, you are now going to f, so go back, etc.

they left my store understanding a bit more about music and how the notes actually related to each other. they didn't pop their strings because they just kept turning the tuner key until the display said the note they think it's supposed to say.

meh i've rambled on like usual :) i don't think it's a bad thing for a tuner to show you you're actually tuning to Eb instead of E. after you tune, you can still call the lowest open chord "E" but that tuner will remind you otherwise :)
 
Print this and keep it handy.
NameNotes in Tuning
Standarde1a1d2g2b2e3
Drop Dd1a1d2g2b2e3
Half Step Downd#1g#1c#2f#2a#2d#3
Full Step Downd1g1c2f2a2d3
1 and 1/2 Steps Downc#1f#1b1e2g#2c#3
Double Drop Dd1a1d2g2b2d3
Drop Cc1g1c2f2a2d3
Drop C#c#1g#1c#2f#2a#2d#3
Drop Bb0f#1b1e2g#2c#3
Drop A#a#0f1a#1d#2g2c3
Drop Aa0e1a1d2f#2b2
Open Dd1a1d2f#2a2d3
Open D Minord1a1d2f2a2d3
Open Gd1g1d2g2b2d3
Open G Minord1g1d2g2a#2d3
Open Cc1g1c2g2c3e3
Open C#c#1f#1b2e2g#2c#3
Open C Minorc1g1c2g2c3d#3
Open E7e1g#1d2e2b2e3
Open E Minor7e1b1d2g2b2e3
Open G Major7d1g1d2f#2b2d3
Open A Minore1a1e2a2c3e3
Open A Minor7e1a1e2g2c3e3
Open Ee1b1e2g#2b2e3
Open Ae1a1c#2e2a2e3
C Tuningc1f1a#1d#2g2c3
C# Tuningc#1f#1b1e2g#2c#3
Bb Tuninga#0d#1g#1c#2f2a#2
A to A (Baritone)a0d1g1c2e2a2
D A D D D Dd1a1d2d2d3d3
C G D G B Dc1g1d2g2b2d3
C G D G B Ec1g1d2g2b2e3
D A D E A Dd1a1d2e2a2d3
D G D G A Dd1g1d2g2a2d3
Open Dsus2d1a1d2g2a2d3
Open Gsus2d1g1d2g2c3d3
G6d1g1d2g2b2e3
Modal Gd1g1d2g2c3d3
Overtonec2e2g2a#2c3d3
Pentatonica1c2d2e2g2a3
Minor Thirdc2d#2f#2a2c3d#3
Major Thirdc2e2g#2c3e3g#3
All Fourthse1a1d2g2c3f3
Augmented Fourthsc1f#1c2f#2c3f#3
Slow Motiond1g1d2f2c3d3
Admiralc1g1d2g2b2c3
Buzzardc1f1c2g2a#2f3
Facec1g1d2g2a2d3
Four and Twentyd1a1d2d2a2d3
Ostrichd1d2d2d2d3d3
Capo 200c1g1d2d#2d3d#3
Balalaikae1a1d2e2e2a2
Charangog1c2e2a2e3
Cittern Onec1f1c2g2c3d3
Cittern Twoc1g1c2g2c3g3
Dobrog1b1d2g2b2d3
Leftye3b2g2d2a1e1
Mandoguitarc1g1d2a2e3b3
Rusty Cageb0a1d2g2b2e3
 
hussamd said:
Print this and keep it handy.
NameNotes in Tuning
Standarde1a1d2g2b2e3
Drop Dd1a1d2g2b2e3
Half Step Downd#1g#1c#2f#2a#2d#3
Full Step Downd1g1c2f2a2d3
1 and 1/2 Steps Downc#1f#1b1e2g#2c#3
Double Drop Dd1a1d2g2b2d3
Drop Cc1g1c2f2a2d3
Drop C#c#1g#1c#2f#2a#2d#3
Drop Bb0f#1b1e2g#2c#3
Drop A#a#0f1a#1d#2g2c3
Drop Aa0e1a1d2f#2b2
Open Dd1a1d2f#2a2d3
Open D Minord1a1d2f2a2d3
Open Gd1g1d2g2b2d3
Open G Minord1g1d2g2a#2d3
Open Cc1g1c2g2c3e3
Open C#c#1f#1b2e2g#2c#3
Open C Minorc1g1c2g2c3d#3
Open E7e1g#1d2e2b2e3
Open E Minor7e1b1d2g2b2e3
Open G Major7d1g1d2f#2b2d3
Open A Minore1a1e2a2c3e3
Open A Minor7e1a1e2g2c3e3
Open Ee1b1e2g#2b2e3
Open Ae1a1c#2e2a2e3
C Tuningc1f1a#1d#2g2c3
C# Tuningc#1f#1b1e2g#2c#3
Bb Tuninga#0d#1g#1c#2f2a#2
A to A (Baritone)a0d1g1c2e2a2
D A D D D Dd1a1d2d2d3d3
C G D G B Dc1g1d2g2b2d3
C G D G B Ec1g1d2g2b2e3
D A D E A Dd1a1d2e2a2d3
D G D G A Dd1g1d2g2a2d3
Open Dsus2d1a1d2g2a2d3
Open Gsus2d1g1d2g2c3d3
G6d1g1d2g2b2e3
Modal Gd1g1d2g2c3d3
Overtonec2e2g2a#2c3d3
Pentatonica1c2d2e2g2a3
Minor Thirdc2d#2f#2a2c3d#3
Major Thirdc2e2g#2c3e3g#3
All Fourthse1a1d2g2c3f3
Augmented Fourthsc1f#1c2f#2c3f#3
Slow Motiond1g1d2f2c3d3
Admiralc1g1d2g2b2c3
Buzzardc1f1c2g2a#2f3
Facec1g1d2g2a2d3
Four and Twentyd1a1d2d2a2d3
Ostrichd1d2d2d2d3d3
Capo 200c1g1d2d#2d3d#3
Balalaikae1a1d2e2e2a2
Charangog1c2e2a2e3
Cittern Onec1f1c2g2c3d3
Cittern Twoc1g1c2g2c3g3
Dobrog1b1d2g2b2d3
Leftye3b2g2d2a1e1
Mandoguitarc1g1d2a2e3b3
Rusty Cageb0a1d2g2b2e3
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Love this. Thanks!
 
Hi there,

I just noticed that your are also using a Peterson stroborack.
Can you tell me how to get the preset on the stroborack to tune a 1/2 step down or dropped de.
Of cause without tuning your guitar.
Already thanks
Rob
 
Betweenus said:
Hi there,

I just noticed that your are also using a Peterson stroborack.
Can you tell me how to get the preset on the stroborack to tune a 1/2 step down or dropped de.
Of cause without tuning your guitar.
Already thanks
Rob
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Page 19 in the StroboRack Manual describes how to use the Drop Tuning button on the front panel. Per the manual it:

"...allows the user to drop-tune the present tuning to anywhere. Use the data wheel to enter the drop tune value; -1 means one half-step (semitone) down, -2 means two half-steps down etc."

Of course, you will have to tune your guitar to the desired pitch. The StroboRack is merely a tuner, it is not a pitch shifter.

And it is this simple feature, also found on tuners from many other manufacturers, that I was originally inquiring about. I never once suggested, as SparkyG implied some posts back, that this was something Cliff should work on. I just wanted to know if the feature existed. If the Axe had it I would have used it out of convenience; since it doesn't, I'll tune chromatically, which doesn't confuse me anywhere near as much as my preferred method seems confusing to others.

Thank you, Chris, for this spot on explanation:

Chris@KatsuKuriMedia said:
it's convenient to think of the strings of a 6 string guitar as EADGBE, no matter how it's actually tuned. within one band, if everyone tunes down to the same actual notes all the time, they can always call the lowest string E, the next A and so on. "what chord is that?" "it's B minor" "oh ok."

well, tuned a 1/2 step down, that's actually Bbm of course... the problem will arise when the people in that band collaborate with other musicians, which may never happen. so for convenience, because that group of musicians always calls the low string "E" it helps if the tuner would show them E when it's offset to 1/2 step down.
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It's a simple convenience for me, and who knows how many other guitarists, who have tuned like this for years. I never imagined asking about it here would create such a fuss.
 
mDaniel said:
Where is the problem if the tuner displays E or Eb... don't really get it ._.
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Eb is easy. Jumping from E down to C (or lower) on the other hand, it's harder to remember what each one should be. I've always used a chromatic tuner, so I'm used to just counting the half steps down as I drop it, but sometimes I do "miss" and have a note off a half step.
 
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