POLL: What should the next NEW AustinBuddy TonePack be, before 2023 hits?

If we could have just ONE new AustinBuddy TonePack before 2022 ends, which below would you prefer?


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Technically Cleans, Single Coil and one of the FX Warehouse options could be combined into a pretty sweet preset bundle imho. Of course, that would increase the price but I would definitely pay for it.
 
nothing but clean version for bass -> Nothing but modern bass amps and cabs. There are a lot of suggestions in the forum, which bass amps in the fractal world are missed
That's the 200+ Bass TonePack, it's available. I add a GK emulation into it but do artists as well.
 
My opinion is there are already an abundance of really good single coil and clean sounds in both Live Gold and Naked Amps to choose from that have been dialed in well. I see no real reason for a new packaging of things he's already done. That's why my vote is for either of the effect pack choices, although a combination of the two would probably be better than just pre or post effects.
There is some truth to this brother @Mott. Great cleans are already in there. But it might be good to organize them and update them for Strats and Teles and Neck Humbuckers specifically, etc. Looks like some see value in that.... PS I miss my CLRs I sold you, hope you are loving them! Call me if you ever decide you want to sell - sell them back to me! (Hahaha)
 
My vote would be a cover band pack. A lot of us play in bands that cover everything from country, pop, and classic rock. My guess also is that a lot of us play a Strat/Tele and/or a LP type of guitars. Cover Band Pack, a weekend warriors go to pack, a utility knife that cuts through the mix while giving us the versatility to play a night with 3-6 presets. Seems simple enough?
You should check out those 90+ presets that the amazing @yek did for free on cover tunes, that will get you a lot there.

The issue here is I categorize things by amp name, but I am often thinking of a certain sound or song when dialing and the amp "pulls" me in that direction. At one point @CipherHost was trying to organize forumites to all contribute to a Master Google doc that "mapped" out amp scenes ot specific songs they work great for. Some are obviously because of the amp type or scene name, others less so....
 
AB, love your work. Your offerings play and sound fantastic.

The survey results may be statistically confounded by the choices offered. Just a caution, as surveys can be tricky.

The fx-pre and fx-post responses may be considered the same question, as responders may not fully grasp fx order.

Same might be said with the Led Zeppelin option, which can be described as a specific studio-work snap shot of Jimmy Page recordings, which include his fx, amps, speakers, studio mics, studio acoustics, recording engineer prowess and technique, tape machine, post-production, etc.

So the results may actually represent four results:
FX blocks: pre and post fx (and specifically so, for one particular rock guitarist);
Single Coil Heaven;
Cleans; and
Other.
Oh - @skydog - you saw what I did there? ;)

(I actually used to be a pollster earlier in my career 80's and 90's).

I'll explain a little more about "what and why" in a separate summary post, after I read all the great input
 
I dunno. Maybe blues or blues-rock giants compilation packs? Freddy#Albert#BB King/Mike Bloomfield/Rory Gallagher/Roy Buchanan/Duane Allman/Dicky Betts/yadda yadda packs?

For example, I have been trying for years to duplicate Duane's Statesboro Blues tone on various platforms, be it tube amps or modelers, but I just cannot quite seem to cop it, I get somewhat close but not enough for my satisfaction.

Try the "AllMyBrothers" preset in Naked Amps, I also did a video on YouTube that explains how to make it. The little secret is to use a fuzz face drive with low gain in front of the plexi JTM45 amp. Duane did that and it takes off pick noise and help the slide.
 
Try the "AllMyBrothers" preset in Naked Amps, I also did a video on YouTube that explains how to make it. The little secret is to use a fuzz face drive with low gain in front of the plexi JTM45 amp. Duane did that and it takes off pick noise and help the slide.
Well I'll be, didn't know about Duane using any kind of drive pedals, thought he was a straight up amp guy. Not that I've researched it, just thought I "knew". Learn something new every day!
 
Fellow Forumites: Thank you so much for voting and giving me your input! You guys ROCK!

The final poll results are below:


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I've read all your posts in this thread as well.

So - why did I split the poll questions up like this? In a word, time. To get stuff actually done by end of 2022, I have to prioritize, as my time is limited in the studio for the next 4.5 months. I knew I could get part of the FX Warehouse out faster if split the project into two parts - but my sense is you guys want it as one big package.

Personally, for some time I have wanted to do an "FX Warehouse' AustinBuddy Tonepack that is both pre (dry) and post (wet) effects, all in one package/library. The evolution of now having single channel block saves helps a LOT for this. You'd buy it and simply copy or paste the block library inside your existing one. Next time you started up the editor, it would read the newly added sub-blocks folder and you'd have 'em.

Done right, this TonePack will easily have 1000+ effects in it. But remember, these are BLOCKS ONLY, and not presets.

And, my current thinking is, while most or many effects blocks will be my own creations and emulations of effects I have loved over the years, I also plan to curate carefully to include useful blocks from others in public domain/forum/YouTube (not paid) who have shared great stuff free and publicly as well (and credit them wherever possible). It seems silly to pretend otherwise, and would make this tool less useful.

For example, someone on the Forum did an Echoplex block that is just good and so spot on, and I can't make it any better (although I can alter it to give it more variations that are cool). So that is the type of thing I'd want to include, and if I can credit them by name for it the product notes, I will. There may be a great flanger, or reverb - even stuff taken from some the Fractal Factory presets - I'd say "that's worth having a sa block available for others."

So I'm guessing now it would be ROUGHLY 70% creation (effects blocks by me) and 30% curation (gathering up the best that I didn't cover or can't really improve on). Ya'll cool with that? Objections (I can reasonably hear some imagined ones in my head that may be coming...).

Want to be clear: in doing that, I'm not trying to "steal" other's stuff -- to be clear, NONE would come from any commercial presets. I just want this to be comprehensive for all, and I would credit people wherever I can identify them that made the block originally.

That means you are really gonna need to print out a very large effects blocks spreadsheet style (.pdf final) I'm using to track my work now as your "manual" -- so you would know what I was aiming at for each block when i made it (and some may require a pairing with a specific controller, or a specific placement in the chain, to work right - the manual will say along with some labels/codes in the block name itself).

I've already been working on this product on and off for a year or so -- but it's still a LOT to do to go through every block type as you know! I have a lot of the Ways and Compressors done for example now. And I know that, no matter how much I do accomplish here, I won't be able to do every single block effect you guys would want to have included.

But the real idea - and it was said above by some -- is to give you a new tool that you can use with Naked Amps or Live Gold (or 200+ Bass) or your own presets - block stuff you can audition into any preset you want, until you find your own favorites.



Now, I also very much want to a nice "Cleans & Single Coils" AustinBuddy TonePack too (and I WOULD do that as one combined TonePack - I was surprised at how much you guys want this!). I'd also put some grit and lower gain sounds in there too for some specific iconic single coil sounds.

But it will likely be impossible for me to get BOTH FX Warehouse and Cleans & Single Coils by end of 2022. I know you guys are ready for this and don't want to wait a year for all of it in one big bundle. (I have some very specific ideas about that Cleans/Single Coils I think ya'll will like, including taking into account guitar used and pickup type...). But in truth there are some really good cleans for single coils in Naked Amps now (as well as Live Gold) that can tide ya'll over I hope.


For the Zep fans, I do want to get to the next three (4?) Zep albums - Houses, Physical Graffiti (it's two discs!), and Presence. I do that work more as a labor of love than anything (and because I learned a ton carefully deconstructing, track by track, part by part, what Page and Kramer were doing in the studio for the first four records). That one is nowhere as big a seller as the other tonepacks though, so it's more sunk time with lower reach of users and less return. But it's very cool stuff for obsessives about studio Zep tones!

Brit Rock Royalty #1 was a TON of work -- and took a VERY long time to nail it. Process wise, it is a lot harder than you might think to listen and pull out a very specific guitar track, played on a very specific guitar (and pickup! and vol/ tone knob setting! in different rooms! with multiple mics!) and painstakingly recreate it - for over 200 unique song parts/sounds -- than it is to give AustinBuddy an amp model and say "hey, give me 4-8 great sounds that really speak to the DNA of that amp." It's also much more fun too to do the latter than the former. :cool: So I'm not saying never to Brit Rock Royalty #2, but the other two projects are going to com results reinforce/reflects that.


And of course... existing TonePack firmware updates come before all as a priority. It's always wise for me to wait a few months until all the beta firmware versions end with a final before I act to do comprehensive updates. But you guys need LoveGold and Naked Amps to work right on the latest firmware and that always trumps new product development work.


Now the other thing is, I don't charge customers extra for new firmware updates (so far anyway) - even though producing updates probably eats up most of my Fractal time in the studio - I have 3000 sounds in four Tonepacks, and three units, to update if things shift in a major way for example. Recently I considered adopting a subscription model for updates (and maybe will for future?) - but have rejected it for now.

What I would prefer instead is to bring new products to market that are useful, needed, and sell well; If I do that and succeed , then I don't feel there need to charge for updates for existing products. Those of you how know me well know, having been here on the Forum for a dozen years, my mission in doing what I do is not about trying to make more money, it's about making a contribution -- making a great product that gives you guys joy and inspiration (like it does for me when I use them!), and if I do the work well, then the financial part takes care of themselves. I really mean that. I'd rather get an "FXWarehouse" new product out and have you guys buy it, and not charge for free updates for older products like LiveGold or Naked Amps, than to not do any new products and have to start charging for yearly (or more often) updates to cover my time. Hope that makes sense - it really expresses my values in doing this work.

For example, I still need to update about 50 presets in Live Gold for minor Speaker Impedance Curves adjustments. The speaker impedance curves chosen are correct in every preset now, BUT I did change either lo or hi res values in some amps in prior firmware to get them to sound on stage like an amp to my ears, and new firmware would have reverted those back to default values for that curve,. In LiveGold it's more of a a factor in bank 2 amps, with just a handful in Bank 1 or 3 though. Does not affect Naked Amps. I can probably get that update done and out in under a week for all three units, but again, it takes time - and delays FX Warehouse work. I also like for the units to all catch up with each other on firmwares, right now the FM3 is lagging it's bigger brothers on the firmware front - waiting for SIC to come to the FM3 next, before I put all the updated versions out.


Sorry for the very long post, but you guys gave of your time to participate, and I wanted you to know I listened carefully, and what my thinking is. I can't please everyone -- but always do my best to help you get the most out of your Fractal units.

Cheers all! Now, off to the studio, I have some choruses to play with....
 
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Well I'll be, didn't know about Duane using any kind of drive pedals, thought he was a straight up amp guy. Not that I've researched it, just thought I "knew". Learn something new every day!
I'm not saying he did it all the time. But I'm pretty sure he did use one on Live at the Fillmore. I mean, the gain is like less than 2.0 on the Face Fuzz, but it does make a difference as it cuts a little bright and lifts the signal from the Les Paul going into the amps! The D120 speakers used in the 4x12s is big part of the sound there too - those were bright speakers so it helps tame that some, too!
 
I'm not saying he did it all the time. But I'm pretty sure he did use one on Live at the Fillmore. I mean, the gain is like less than 2.0 on the Face Fuzz, but it does make a difference as it cuts a little bright and lifts the signal from the Les Paul going into the amps! The D120 speakers used in the 4x12s is big part of the sound there too - those were bright speakers so it helps tame that some, too!
As usual, right-on-the-money.
Here is the myth I've been following for years...
Guitar output to a Y-cable, and then those two outs into two more Y-cables. Then those four outs into the high-sensitivity 1 and 2 inputs on the two amps.
Depending upon mood swings, I sometimes use a fuzz face (powered by a half-dead carbon-zinc 9V battery) set to low (exactly how you described), but mostly if I'm using a large Fender.
Two 50W Marshals and JBL D120s in the cabs. I don't know which mics were used at the Fillmore, but I've assumed SM57s.

Re your poll-closed post:
This is flipping awesome. Forever in your debt.

ps. I've had to edit this twice. I just flew to the EU and jet-lagged-tired...
 
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Will there ever be a live pack created for power amp and cab? I know. I know, you can change any of the AB live packs to whatever output source you want, personally Id like to know it was created using this and only this and its plug and play and no settings other than volume are required. And of course turning off Cab sims. Cheers
I would think that would be really hard to do being the said power amp and cab would be a large part of the overall sound.
 
Why is that hard? SS pa and a tube power amp should make things fairly simple, I doubt it will ever happen so it doesn't really matter. It sure seems like a big deal when we get away from studio monitors and frfr. Def Leppard seems to be using power amps in live rigs , should be a reasonable request one would think
You said "amp and cab".

That usually means "guitar cab".

I'm confused... :)

If by "cab" you mean "PA speaker" then that's really no different than FRFR.

Def Leppard has a rig dialed in for them on their equipment. The OP opposite of a pack like what AB would do.
 
Power amp and cab, frfr speakers can be enclosures kind ok like you know "guitar cabinets, don't aske me I am just going off of the 1000+ mentions of them on this site and many others. The mentioned request was for an AB preset pack, it really wasn't an invitation to argue with anyone who isn't going to be the designer/vendor so really ,what difference does it make? PA meaning a power amp, you know like a JMP100 rack mounted 100 watt or many others as well as Solid State as I mentioned. WHO cares its a pipe dream. Had no idea you were the liaison for Austin Buddy, many thanks.
Whatever... Enjoy the ignore list ;)
 
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