Number of IRs in Cab Pack #3

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born2lift

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Was wondering how many IRs are supposed to be in Cab Pack #3? The info at OwnHammers site says that there should be 2610 IRs. Yet, when I checked the numbers of IRs in Cab Pack #3 there are only 546 IRs.

Am I missing something? Seems like with a $100.00 price tag that there should be the same number as what the OwnHammer site has. If I'm only getting 546, I would have rather bought them from Ownhammer.
 
I am only guessing here but I would say with the fractal version you only get the files that work in the ax fx, with the own hammer version there would be multiple file types of the same IR.
 
paranoid said:
I am only guessing here but I would say with the fractal version you only get the files that work in the ax fx, with the own hammer version there would be multiple file types of the same IR.
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I recently purchased The Heavy Hitters Collection from OwnHammer. The price was $49.99. I just re-downloaded it to check to see how many IRs there are that are usable for the AXE. There are multiple files that you can download. There are 5 Zip files covering The AXE, the Kemper, Atomic, Line 6, and Two Note. I downloaded the Zip file for the AXE and there are 10,100 IRs. All of which unique with no duplicates or IRs for other platforms.
 
but that is not cab pack 3. things have changed in IR's since then, prices have gotten much lower with many now recording and offering IR packs IR's.
 
paranoid said:
but that is not cab pack 3. things have changed in IR's since then, prices have gotten much lower with many now recording and offering IR packs IR's.
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That doesn't make any sense to me. In my opinion, they should lower the price for cab pack #3.
If what you are saying is true, why is OwnHammers 412-MES-TR IR pack $14.99 with 603 IRs? It's the second IR pack that they made.
 
brianv4 said:
Cab pack 3 does not have all the speaker choices as on ownhammer site
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If this is true, that would be some BS if you ask me. Fractal charges the same price as OwnHammer for less speaker choices? $99.99. If this is the case, I won't be very happy
 
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I just checked both sites and OwnHammer lists 35 speakers and Fractal lists 38 speakers. Both covering all 3 cabs.
 
paranoid said:
you do not have to buy it.
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It would have been nice if Fractal could state how many IRs are included in the cab pack BEFORE you buy it so one could make an informed decision, don't you think? One is led to believe that they are getting the same product as you would from OwnHammer.
 
i own it, been through this discussion before - perhaps Keven @ownhammer will jump in and explain the deal with cab pack 3 again.

Here's what's included in cab pack 3 (you can compare with list on ownhammer.com)

The 1x12 and 2x12 include the following:
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ALN-SLV (based on 1969 Celestion Alnico Silver)
EV-SRO (based on vintage Electro Voice SRO-12)
FN-42 (based on 1977 Fane 122142)
G65-OR (based on 1982 Celestion G12-65)
H-PR-55 (based on 1969 Celestion G12H)
J12-CN (based on 1964 Jensen C12N)
J12-PR (based on 1961 Jensen P12R)
M-BB-55 (based on 1977 Celestion G12M)

The 4x12 includes the following:
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417-H (based on a 1977 Altec 417-8H)
ALN-BLU (based on a Celestion Alnico Blue)
ALN-SLV (based on a 1969 “pre-Rola” Celestion Alnico Silver)
CL-80 (based on a Celestion Classic Lead 80)
D-120 (based on an early 70's JBL D120F)
EV-S (based on a late 80's Electro Voice EVM-12S)
EV-L (based on a Electro Voice EVM-12L Classic)
FN-42 (based on a 1977 Fane 122142)
G65-OR (based on a 1982 Celestion G12-65)
G65-RI (based on a Celestion "Heritage" G12-65)
H-BB-55 (based on a 1977 Celestion G12H “black back” w. 55 Hz cone)
H-PR-55 (based on a 1969 “pre-Rola” Celestion G12H w. 55 Hz cone)
H-RI-55 (based on a Celestion "Heritage" G12H w. 55 Hz cone)
H-SB-75 (based on a Scumback H75)
J12-BB (based on a Jensen Jet Alnico Blackbird)
J12-CN (based on a 1964 Jensen C12N)
J12-PN (based on a Jensen P12N)
J12-PQ (based on a 1959 Jensen P12Q)
J12-PR (based on a 1961 Jensen P12R)
K-100 (based on a Celestion G12K-100)
L-BB (based on a 1978 Celestion G12L “black back”)
M-BB-55 (based on a 1977 Celestion G12M “black back” w. 55 Hz cone)
M-CB-75 (based on a Celestion G12M-65 "cream back" w. 75 Hz cone)
M-PR-55 (based on a 1971 “pre-Rola” Celestion G12M w. 55 Hz cone)
M-RI-75 (based on a Celestion "Heritage" G12M-20 w. 75 Hz cone)
M-SB-75 (based on a Scumback M75)
T75-RI (based on a Celestion G12T-75)
T75-SS (based on a 90's “skunk stripe” Celestion G12T-75)
V30-CH (based on a Chinese made Celestion Vintage 30)
V30-EN (based on an English made Celestion Vintage 30)
 
brianv4 said:
i own it, been through this discussion before - perhaps Keven @ownhammer will jump in and explain the deal with cab pack 3 again.

Here's what's included in cab pack 3 (you can compare with list on ownhammer.com)

The 1x12 and 2x12 include the following:
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ALN-SLV (based on 1969 Celestion Alnico Silver)
EV-SRO (based on vintage Electro Voice SRO-12)
FN-42 (based on 1977 Fane 122142)
G65-OR (based on 1982 Celestion G12-65)
H-PR-55 (based on 1969 Celestion G12H)
J12-CN (based on 1964 Jensen C12N)
J12-PR (based on 1961 Jensen P12R)
M-BB-55 (based on 1977 Celestion G12M)

The 4x12 includes the following:
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417-H (based on a 1977 Altec 417-8H)
ALN-BLU (based on a Celestion Alnico Blue)
ALN-SLV (based on a 1969 “pre-Rola” Celestion Alnico Silver)
CL-80 (based on a Celestion Classic Lead 80)
D-120 (based on an early 70's JBL D120F)
EV-S (based on a late 80's Electro Voice EVM-12S)
EV-L (based on a Electro Voice EVM-12L Classic)
FN-42 (based on a 1977 Fane 122142)
G65-OR (based on a 1982 Celestion G12-65)
G65-RI (based on a Celestion "Heritage" G12-65)
H-BB-55 (based on a 1977 Celestion G12H “black back” w. 55 Hz cone)
H-PR-55 (based on a 1969 “pre-Rola” Celestion G12H w. 55 Hz cone)
H-RI-55 (based on a Celestion "Heritage" G12H w. 55 Hz cone)
H-SB-75 (based on a Scumback H75)
J12-BB (based on a Jensen Jet Alnico Blackbird)
J12-CN (based on a 1964 Jensen C12N)
J12-PN (based on a Jensen P12N)
J12-PQ (based on a 1959 Jensen P12Q)
J12-PR (based on a 1961 Jensen P12R)
K-100 (based on a Celestion G12K-100)
L-BB (based on a 1978 Celestion G12L “black back”)
M-BB-55 (based on a 1977 Celestion G12M “black back” w. 55 Hz cone)
M-CB-75 (based on a Celestion G12M-65 "cream back" w. 75 Hz cone)
M-PR-55 (based on a 1971 “pre-Rola” Celestion G12M w. 55 Hz cone)
M-RI-75 (based on a Celestion "Heritage" G12M-20 w. 75 Hz cone)
M-SB-75 (based on a Scumback M75)
T75-RI (based on a Celestion G12T-75)
T75-SS (based on a 90's “skunk stripe” Celestion G12T-75)
V30-CH (based on a Chinese made Celestion Vintage 30)
V30-EN (based on an English made Celestion Vintage 30)
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Comparing both lists from both sites, Fractal has 3 more speakers listed. But 1470 less IRs.

So you were told that there is supposed to be less IRs in cab pack #3?
 
Just a suggestion, forum members upset about prices " I complain also" need to accept the reality of our economy. Cliff and the other FAS founders need to make a living as well, a good living even, is not out of the expected. I can only imagine some of the headaches FAS personnel have to deal with in this business; lucky blokes.
 
hochha said:
Just a suggestion, forum members upset about prices " I complain also" need to accept the reality of our economy. Cliff and the other FAS founders need to make a living as well, a good living even, is not out of the expected. I can only imagine some of the headaches FAS personnel have to deal with in this business; lucky blokes.
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I have no problem with a company making money. I get it. And I know that Cliff goes well beyond what other companies do for their customers.
And I don't have a problem paying $100.00 for a cab pack. But when one is led to believe that they are getting the same product as another seller sells, I do have a problem with that. The reason I bought them from Fractal rather than OwnHammer, was because I wasn't sure if WAV files could be mixed in Cab Lab. And I wouldn't have to bother converting the WAV files to SYX files as they are already converted in Cab Pack 3.
 
You make a good point, if the ad misled it needs to be corrected. IRs are the most powerful part of the sound in this domain, the better the IR the better the sound.
 
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hochha said:
You make a good point, if the ad mislead it needs to be corrected. IRs are the most powerful part of the sound in this domain, the better the IR the better the sound.
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I think it would be a good idea to let us know how many IRs are included in each cab pack. Most of the packs that OwnHammer has, have the number of IRs listed.
 
the fractal packs I have purchased may not have as many IR's in them as some 3rd party producers but they seem to all be very usable. I have purchased some packs with lots of IR's and most of them were bad and some were good. maybe fractal sorts these out so overwhelmed users will not be disappointed?.
 
This is copied and pasted from the Read Me Notes that came wit cab pack 3. Note the third paragraph down, I made it bold, italicized and underlined. According to that paragraph, there should be the same number of IRs as from OwnHammer. I'm thinking something is wrong with the download from Fractal.

"Fractal Audio Systems

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Cab Pack 3: OwnHammer Studio Mix Collection - The UltraRes Edition
==================================================================

With its original "User Cabs," Fractal Audio Systems pioneered the use
of user-installable Impulse Responses (IRs) for speaker cabinet
emulation in a hardware processor.

Axe-Fx II Firmware Version 13 adds support for the new UltraRes speaker
cabinet emulation technology. This proprietary technology increases the
accuracy of speaker cabinet emulation to levels previously unattainable
without massive CPU requirements or intolerable latency. UltraRes
technology achieves the resolution of long IRs (up to 170ms) without
added CPU burden or storage requirements.

The OwnHammer Studio Mix UltraRes collection includes every IR in the
OwnHammer Studio Mix Libraries (as of Feb 7, 2014). They have been
re-created in the new UltraRes format based on original full-resolution
captures.

These IRs represent some of the most popular and well-received 3rd party
IRs in the history of the Axe-Fx and we are proud to offer them in
this highly anticipated new format.

Visit http://www.ownhammer.com for more details and additional IR offerings,
and watch for more joint productions between Fractal Audio Systems and
OwnHammer in the future.

Here's what's included:

SPEAKER CABINETS
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1x12 (based on an open back "Deluxe")
2x12 (based on an open back 2x12 "Shiver" cab)
4x12 (based on a "Checkerboard Brit 1960B")

SPEAKERS
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Every cab is captured with multiple speakers.

The 1x12 and 2x12 include the following:
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ALN-SLV (based on 1969 Celestion Alnico Silver)
EV-SRO (based on vintage Electro Voice SRO-12)
FN-42 (based on 1977 Fane 122142)
G65-OR (based on 1982 Celestion G12-65)
H-PR-55 (based on 1969 Celestion G12H)
J12-CN (based on 1964 Jensen C12N)
J12-PR (based on 1961 Jensen P12R)
M-BB-55 (based on 1977 Celestion G12M)

The 4x12 includes the following:
--------------------------------
417-H (based on a 1977 Altec 417-8H)
ALN-BLU (based on a Celestion Alnico Blue)
ALN-SLV (based on a 1969 “pre-Rola” Celestion Alnico Silver)
CL-80 (based on a Celestion Classic Lead 80)
D-120 (based on an early 70's JBL D120F)
EV-S (based on a late 80's Electro Voice EVM-12S)
EV-L (based on a Electro Voice EVM-12L Classic)
FN-42 (based on a 1977 Fane 122142)
G65-OR (based on a 1982 Celestion G12-65)
G65-RI (based on a Celestion "Heritage" G12-65)
H-BB-55 (based on a 1977 Celestion G12H “black back” w. 55 Hz cone)
H-PR-55 (based on a 1969 “pre-Rola” Celestion G12H w. 55 Hz cone)
H-RI-55 (based on a Celestion "Heritage" G12H w. 55 Hz cone)
H-SB-75 (based on a Scumback H75)
J12-BB (based on a Jensen Jet Alnico Blackbird)
J12-CN (based on a 1964 Jensen C12N)
J12-PN (based on a Jensen P12N)
J12-PQ (based on a 1959 Jensen P12Q)
J12-PR (based on a 1961 Jensen P12R)
K-100 (based on a Celestion G12K-100)
L-BB (based on a 1978 Celestion G12L “black back”)
M-BB-55 (based on a 1977 Celestion G12M “black back” w. 55 Hz cone)
M-CB-75 (based on a Celestion G12M-65 "cream back" w. 75 Hz cone)
M-PR-55 (based on a 1971 “pre-Rola” Celestion G12M w. 55 Hz cone)
M-RI-75 (based on a Celestion "Heritage" G12M-20 w. 75 Hz cone)
M-SB-75 (based on a Scumback M75)
T75-RI (based on a Celestion G12T-75)
T75-SS (based on a 90's “skunk stripe” Celestion G12T-75)
V30-CH (based on a Chinese made Celestion Vintage 30)
V30-EN (based on an English made Celestion Vintage 30)


MICROPHONES
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Speakers are captured with multiple individual microphones:

1x12/2x12 mics
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CND 70 (based on Microtech Gefell UMT70S)
DYN 57U3 (based on Shure Bros Unidyne III SM57)
DYN 88 (based on Beyerdynamic M88)
RBN 92 (based on Royer R92)
RBN 121 (based on Royer R121)
RBN 160 (based on Beyerdynamic M160)

"Rear" and "Room" captures are also included.

4x12 Mics
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CND 70 (based on Microtech Gefell UMT70S)
DYN 57 (based on Shure SM57)
DYN 421 (based on Sennheiser MD421)
RBN 121 (based on Royer R121)

"Room" captures are also included.

MIXES
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"Mic Mixes" are also provided for every speaker:

Live Modern - Custom mix designed for use with FRFR playback systems for live settings.
Live Vintage - Custom mix designed for use with FRFR playback systems for live settings.
Studio Modern - Custom mix designed for use in a full studio mix.
Studio Vintage - Custom mix designed for use in a full studio mix.
Median - These fall somewhere between the Live and Studio voicings.
SP - Mixes by Scott Peterson (http://www.spetersonmusic.com).

================== I N S T A L L A T I O N ===================

FRACTAL-BOT
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Fractal-Bot can be used to transmit Cab IRs to the Axe-Fx II. It includes built-in instructions.
Please be sure to download the latest version from:
http://www.fractalaudio.com/fractal-bot.php

AXE-EDIT
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Axe-Edit's Axe-Manage Cabs feature allows drag and drop installation of User Cabs.
Please be sure to download the latest version from:
http://www.fractalaudio.com/p-axe-edit-software.php

3rd PARTY MIDI UTILITIES
------------------------
3rd party MIDI utilities such as MIDI-OX or Snoize SysEx Librarian can also
be used to transmit UltraRes files to the Axe-Fx II.


================== ABOUT .IR FILES ================
In addition to the .syx files included with this pack, a complete corresponding
set of .ir files is provided. UltraRes IRs cannot be mixed using Cab-Lab, but
the next Cab-Lab release WILL support .ir file mixing.

================== II vs. XL ================
The UltraRes IRs in this pack are provided in formats compatible with both the Axe-Fx II (Original, Mark II) and Axe-Fx II XL. Please use only the files corresponding to your hardware type.


================== N O T E ===================
Manufacturer and product names mentioned above are trademarks or registered trademarks of their respective owners,
which are in no way associated or affiliated with Fractal Audio Systems. The names are used only to indicate sonic and
performance characteristics.
 
born2lift said:
This is copied and pasted from the Read Me Notes that came wit cab pack 3. Note the third paragraph down, I made it bold, italicized and underlined. According to that paragraph, there should be the same number of IRs as from OwnHammer. I'm thinking something is wrong with the download from Fractal.
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I think there were IRs added to the Ownhammer Studio Mix Collection after the stated date:

The OwnHammer Studio Mix UltraRes collection includes every IR in the
OwnHammer Studio Mix Libraries (as of Feb 7, 2014).
 
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