More new from Nuno

I expect more diversity in the rest of the album. All 3 that have been released are heavy and Extreme albums always have more than that

But the fact that in the first half of the year we will have releases from Wolfie, Foo Fighters, Big Wreck and Extreme is the best Rock n Roll shot in the arm I've seem in probably 10 years or more.

Long Live guitar rock!!

MM
and winger
 
Wow, just from these three songs, I wonder if this was made instead of 3 Sides, if they would have retained or grew their audience in the grunge era.

These three songs seem to be like a more technically proficient grunge sound to me. I dig it.
 
I guess I’m stuck in the past! I love this style. Then again I also love the Beatles and 70’s prog so I’m not exactly forward looking.
Well I also like the the Beatles and classic rock of the 70's. This, just doesn't do it for me. Never did. But hey, that's what makes the world go round.
 
Of the 3, I greatly prefer #Rebel...

The other 2 just didn't connect.

The guitar solos are all great!

When #Rebel started, I thought, "hey, kinda sounds like a Motorhead riff"... Then pan to the Rickenbacker bass :D
 
A lot of this album was recorded a while ago...for instance, EVH stopping by while that Rise solo was in the works:

https://www.guitarworld.com/news/nuno-bettencourt-eddie-van-halen-rise-visit

My Washburn N7 was made in 2011...

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When I got that signed by Nuno (actually @unix-guy was there for that event, heh), he said that he had gotten the N7 made to use at some point in the writing and recording of the new album (so obviously 10+ years ago).

The new stuff is badass even if the riffs and songs are kinda elementary, but I'm on the lookout for where the N7 appears on it :)
 
I'm a huge jazz guitar fan, after seeing the "Get the Funk Out" video for the first time, I literally dropped the height of my guitar by 18 inches and joined a gym to get my abs in shape, pathetic, I know. Safe to say, Nuno has been a huge influence on my guitar playing although, Im not so keen on the Extreme songs, I wish them well with the new album.
 
Tbh i think the opposite! i like Rise until now more than whatever else i heard but Rebel is also good, but for me it's Rise is what i like more
I didn’t write that Rise is not good but only that the mix was (it looks like they fixed - even not the best yet) worse than the last two songs published. 😉
 
The big thing that's missing in these songs is any interesting harmonic development as time passes. It isn't fair to call something with so many notes a "one chord song"; but if you treat those notes as largely outlining chords (the way a figured bass does in the left hand for piano-playing), then the chords are pretty darned monotonous.

The riffage is great, and I admire these guys. But, as I listened through these particular songs, I couldn't help noticing that each riff, if boiled down to the chord it implies, is basically the same chord over and over. It's just sitting there, on the "one," over and over and over and over....

"Banshee" starts with a figure implying Eb. And it just stays there, through the whole verse. We get a brief respite from it when the prechorus moves to F, and then to Ab, and then back to Eb: A sort of II-IV-I cadence. Fine, but then it's back to Eb for another however many bars until the next prechorus happens. The guitar solo gives us another break from the Eb by shifting to Ab for a few bars; then it's back to Eb. Then back to Ab, then back to Eb. Then we get the II-IV-I prechorus structure again to help the guitar solo conclude: F, Ab, Eb. And the Eb rides out. Yawn.

"#Rebel" is even less developed: It's just E, throughout, until you get to the harmony vocals in the bridge, which at least give us Am/E descending stepwise back to E. And then more E.

At least, I think there wasn't anything else. I got bored and fast-wound a bit, so, sorry if I missed anything.

Is this permissible? Sure. Is it rock and roll? No doubt. Do the guys deserve mad props for sounding as good as they do? Absolutely: At their age, or any age.

But it leaves me a little cold, and I think the reason is because it's such a going-nowhere snooze-fest from a harmonic perspective. So far as I can recall, not a single track on Pornograffiti or III Sides suffered from lack-of-interest in the chord changes department. So they can do it; they just chose not to on these particular songs. I wish they'd chosen differently.

This is just how it strikes me; no disrespect intended towards anyone who thoroughly enjoyed the tunes.

As with all things taste-related, Your Mileage May Vary.

P.S. Although we're pretty grown-up in these forums, I'm concerned that because I'm saying something critical, some wag will come in and say, "Oh? How many grammys do you have, doc?" or something similar. The answer is: none. Like I said, I admire these guys. By criticizing these songs, I'm not trying to say I'm better. (So, here's hoping that I don't have to preface these observations with a lot of boilerplate, to avoid getting slammed for being critical?)
 
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The big thing that's missing in these songs is any interesting harmonic development as time passes. It isn't fair to call something with so many notes a "one chord song"; but if you treat those notes as largely outlining chords (the way a figured bass does in the left hand for piano-playing), then the chords are pretty darned monotonous.

Think they fixed this somewhat with the newest one :)

 
Think they fixed this somewhat with the newest one :)


You're quite right, that's a huge improvement in harmony and arrangement, compared to the other two tunes.

Now, let's hear them do a song which has their hard-rock sound AND well-arranged and interesting chord changes. Nothing wrong with acoustic guitars, of course; but Van Halen managed to have those bright major-triad harmony vocals and interesting chord changes layered over the "Brown Sound" guitars plenty of times. And Extreme have done it before, when they were in top-form. No reason it should be an either/or!
 
You're quite right, that's a huge improvement in harmony and arrangement, compared to the other two tunes.

Now, let's hear them do a song which has their hard-rock sound AND well-arranged and interesting chord changes. Nothing wrong with acoustic guitars, of course; but Van Halen managed to have those bright major-triad harmony vocals and interesting chord changes layered over the "Brown Sound" guitars plenty of times. And Extreme have done it before, when they were in top-form. No reason it should be an either/or!

My guess...only reason we haven't heard it yet, is because any time these bands come back from a long hiatus, the first or few single(s) are always the 'hey look at me, we're still here!' rock songs. Couldn't tell ya the last time that a lead-off single was ever my favorite track off an album like this. The one I just posted is a great example of a song that might be forever a B-side but to me, is more inspiring than anything else they've released from it yet, and if they led with that one there'd be but a fraction of people talking about Extreme compared to now.

Someone in their management - and frankly, by that I mean Nuno, unless someone can tell me different - has done this release in a very calculated and effective way so far. I'm really hoping the rest of this album is going have some great deep dives and tracks to dissect for all us nerds.

*I said it before, but my main guitar these days is a Washburn N7, which I had the pleasure of having Nuno both play & sign a few months back. Supposedly the N7 was made for some songs they were working on a few years ago, that may or may not be on this album, I dunno. But I'd love to hear Nuno crunch on some 7-string stuff somewhere on this.
 
Pornograffitti and III sides are milestones.😍
Not only Nunos' technique is spectacular in these records, but also the songs, arrangements and harmony vocals.
Even today I listen to them regularly.
Looking forward to the new CD.
In the end it is always a matter of taste 🙂

For this reason for example , Dream Theater and John Petrucci don't appeal to me at all. Probably for the reason that their songs
are too constructed and contain too much unnecessary information.

At the moment I listen to a lot of Dierks Bentley.
And that, although I try with all means that I should not like country music.
 
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