Metallica using Axe Fx's on stage!

Sooooooo, can you post any patches?? :)

Ha, just kidding.
Are the 4x12s for stage monitoring at all, or are they mic'd up for the mix, or are they just for the guitar interaction?

Sorry if it was posted earlier, I don't recall seeing that in the thread. Maybe I'll go re-read it...


I think the cabs are purely to address the sustain/feedback.

Great to hear the details from Chad, also good to hear it now means he can spend more time crafting tones rather than maintaining/setting up a load of amps! Another bonus is we get a left/right mix of James and Kirk in the rehearsals before the show!

Massive well done to everyone involved. :encouragement:
 
Hi everybody,
My name is Chad

Hi chad, welcome to the forum and thank you so much for taking the time and give us a peek to MetallicA world.
I think you have done a great job, the sound is killer!
Hope to see you here more.
Thanks.
 
Bodde, everyone is different. Some artists are more hands on than others. In our case, James wanted to hear what we could bring without sitting down and learning the gear. Once we began, we had a few sit downs to listen and talk about the feel and the response and the tones. I know what direction things need to go and I get James' input as we go.
Thanks,
Z

ok, thanks. Yes, I was talking just in general. I can imagine most really famous players don't have the time or interest to tweak knobs all day.

One more question (now that I have the chance): with Metallica how do you handle feedback issues? when I play a loud gig or rehearsal I always am fighting feedback with my Axe. My pickups and guitars are all good. I don't play really high gain but I have read several topic about 'more high gain/metal guys' who are also having this problem. Curious how a band like Metallica handles this since I guess they don't play very soft on stage.
 
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They play large stages that can handle the volume, compared to a normal bar/club 15x15 space.
 
Hi Guys, I am Justin Kirks' tech, I thought I would chime in and echo all Chads' statements about the help we have had from FAS getting to this point. Also it is very encouraging to hear all the positive stuff about the tones from you guys.

I am still using the Dunlop rack Wah as I sometimes need 8 pedals on the stage. Because it is a TRS system (just three wires for the switch and control ) I can use the audio tie lines to get back to my rack rather than having to home run each run.

Re the tones, the band have a lot of confidence in us, together with the Monitor engineer , Front of house engineer and Recording engineer to know that we are "in the ball park" and it is more likely that I will tweak the gain .1 or .2 either way to make it "feel right" than any major changes. If Kirk is needing to cut through in his mix we will do this with EQ on the monitor board for his ear mix rather than the Axe, as that affects everyone.

As we get a chance to hear Kirk and James play the set every night we feel we can hone these tones even further

Thanks to all that have posted positive comment and some great tones there guitarjon :)

The Cabs are purely for feel and feedback everything everyone hears in pure AXE

Cheers

Justin
 
wow!!!! awesome justin. thanks :) i'm guessing you aren't in kailua too huh :p

i think something that many people miss (just due to lack of touring/gigging experience) is the fact that FOH, Monitors and Recording sends are not always the same, or at least they don't always want to sound the exact same. they are usually 3 completely separate systems, especially on a large scale like metallica's setup.

that's where you really need to trust your techs and soundguys because really, as the performer, you don't have control or know what specifically is being heard out in the audience during the show. you need an excellent monitor mix to be able to perform with the feel and oomph necessary to provide energy to the thousands of people watching you.

having the signal in a "closed" format (as opposed to mics with air, noise, vibration moving them around etc) is such an advantage when trying to keep shows consistent among all 3 independent systems. so glad it's working out for metallica!

Massive footage of silent practice and racks full of Axe Fx's!!!



wow i think that sounds GREAT!
 
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Really digging the fact that Chad and Justin both took the time to post on the forum, awesome to get that insight from the guys that are dealing with the tones.
 
Hot damn. This is a great day for FAS and me personally. Thanks for all the info Chad.


Hi everybody,
My name is Chad and I am James' guitar tech. Thanks for the kind words regarding the new guitar rigs we have going. Special thanks to "Guitarjon" for his enthusiasm in recreating all those old album tones! Jon's hard work and Fractal's technology and dedication to quality, realistic amplifier/cabinet sounds make having these sounds at home a real possibility. If I've learned one thing in the last six months of AxeFx immersion is that you need both human talent and technology that can match your imagination and what you want to hear in your head. The Fractal team has been (beyond) extremely helpful in helping us realize our new AxeFx guitar rigs.

Maybe I can offer a few facts for those of you who are interested in return.
Changing from our tried and true analogue guitar rigs to AxeFx systems was a giant leap for the band and us tech's alike. Everyone felt that the technology provided by FAS was good enough to make this kind of change. There were several reasons to try this. Once the problem of getting our equipment to Antarctica was established, we had a reasonable excuse to make a leap of faith. The Grammy's backed that up.

We began to duplicate our live rigs last fall virtually with the AxeFx. The tones have been a work in progress since day 1. The tones have changed slightly even since the beginning of this South America run and will probably continue to be tweaked and experimented with. The ability to now listen to James play for two plus hours lets me hone in on areas of the sound that need changing or tweaking or eq'ing. The first two shows were played without the Matrix amps and 4X12's. Someone mentioned a lack of feedback or sustain. This was true and we were working on solutions for that without resorting to cabinets. In the end we felt that ditching the cabinets wasn't an option. We needed to try it.

My theory has been to replicate James' live rig first, then to build on these sounds as we go. I think this is a living breathing beast that we will "feed" as we move forward. Some of the reasons we felt that moving to the Fractal is the amount of control. I can change tubes in an amp on a stage in the middle of a some God forsaken field without any hesitation. As a touring tech, there are obvious advantages to not having to maintain tube amps during a normal show day. I can concentrate on how it sounds rather than why it doesn't work or why it sounds different today.

This leads us to the consistency factor. We have three going on four systems of gear. They have never sounded the same between them for obvious analogue reasons. We often see our "Black System" and our "Blue System" in the same week on tour. This is for shipping/cartage reasons. If you knew how much money it cost to move this equipment around the world, you would shit yourself. This brings us to how much weight and space we are now saving by using the AxeFx rigs. Day in and day out, our new "digital" rigs will make it possible for the band to play more shows due to reduced shipping costs alone.

The live guitar rig needs to please James, the monitor engineer, the FOH engineer and our recording engineer. The AxeFx is doing that for us. One long standing issue has been the 4X12's in the isolation boxes (large road cases with cabinets, SONEX and microphones inside. They would build up in the low mids and hamper the low end detail we can now get with the Cab Sims. It's like dialing back the "Proximity" control on the AXFX to a pleasing level. With James right hand, and how fast these notes need to develop and get out of the way of the next note, we are now experiencing a much tighter sound. You all know how much control you have with your own unit regarding the amps and cabinets and drive and shape and feel so I don't need to tell you that we get to do the same. The trick for a tech like me is to be able to translate what a guitar player wants to hear and apply it to the technology to get a desired result. Having way more than your typical 8 or 9 amp knobs is a new toolbox I get to use to do this.

Anyway, I use OUTPUT 1 for two discreet amp sound outputs. One Diezel and one Boogie sound. I use a second AXFX for the clean sounds (JC 120 e.t.c.) I am switching between the heavy and clean sounds via the tried and true VooDoo Labs Ground Control and Audio Switcher. [I used the RJM pedalboard last year with Def Leppard last summer and liked it a lot too] All Effects are programmed into scenes for seamless switching as was mentioned. OUTPUT 2 is for the live cabinets. I am also sending some signal from the CLEAN AXFX into INPUT 1 LEFT of the HEAVY AXFX to send this to the live cab as well if needed. I am using one TM block in the Boogie chain, stereo cabinets and thus far I have not had to use the EQ block I have placed before the output just in case. There has been no need!

Again, thanks for your interest and it is nice to hear positive feedback thus far. We will be working and listening as we go but we are very happy with what we are producing. Please don't get hung up on what our presets look like. You guys have the all the means right there in front of you to create exactly what you want to hear. Hell, Guitarjon gave you the rest!
Happy Tweaking,
Chad

Thanks again to Matt and the rest at FAS for live fixes and updates throughout our long programming days!
 
Thanks Chad and Justin for taking the time to say hello and giving us an insight on how the "big boys" do it. It's pretty friggin cool, thanks again and safe travels to you guys and the rest of the crew.
 
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This is Awesome-O. Now if only Dallas could chime in here too, I will ask no more of life ;)

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This IS a great thread -- thanks to Chad and Justin. These guys are simply awesome to work with and I look forward to the next level. On behalf of Fractal, I also want to mention and thank their colleague Zach, who is simply a force of nature in the cyclone of equipment that is "Club Met."
 
Great of Chad and Justin to take the time to post.

It worth checking out their (pre Axe Fx) YouTube rig rundowns if you haven't already. Shows what they are now replacing and it's pretty impressive!!

One query I have is that they say they the band use cabs on stage for feel and feedback. I wonder were they using these previous to 'going Fractal'? On those 'in the round' gigs there never seemed to be any on onstage live cabs. I always assumed they were purely using ISO cabs and in-ears.

Anyways really enjoyed this thread!!
 
Hey Chad and or Justin, if you'd be willing to share, what kind of methodology do you guys normally go for when you dial in tones? Do you tend to do all your tweaking while the whole band is playing? Do you try and make the guitars sound good in isolation or do you guys tweak multiple presets for multiple guitars and bass at the same time, as one collective unit? I understand if you cannot speak on behalf of the band, but any info you feel like sharing would be greatly appreciated!
 
Hi Guys, I am Justin Kirks' tech

Hi Justin,

Thanks so much for sharing the info regarding the new rigs!
This makes a lot of people here very happy!! :)
I'm really digging the tones you guys have made for the band, just great!
Can't thank you guys enough!

Jon
 
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Very cool thread!

Cool to hear about the side most of use dont hear about. Having 4 different rigs shipped everywhere just sounds crazy!
 
I used to dream of having a Metallica rig when I was younger, it's kinda cool to see them jumping onto something I already have...

I am super impressed over the tones they are getting with the unit. Inspiring to try and make my own patches even better.
 
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