Matrix passive CRF12 wedge or Q12 passive

Jimmytwotimes

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After a lot of peoples comments here regarding FRFR and how great it is, I am considering adding either a FRFR wedge or cabinet. I am currently using a port city 2x12 OS with EV12L and using a Matrix 1000fx for power. My thought is getting a passive speaker to use with the amp. Does anyone have any experience either with the Matrix passive wedge or cabinet ( CFR12 / Q12) and using with the 1000FX ?
Has anyone gone from a real cab to this kind of setup and NOT like it? Just curious as to peoples experiences before I drop 700 bones on it - thanks !
 
Hey Jimmy2x,
I have experience with FRFR and standard guitar cabs.
I own "2" Port City OS 12's fitted with Greenbacks and "2" CFR12's, both run by a couple Matrix GT1000FX's.
A good friend of mine has the powered Q12's and we've compared the GT1000FX/ CFR12's versus the Q12's.
Both are great, for what they do, but they are different.
As you've probably read, the whole FRFR thing is based on getting the miked sound and/or using different IR's to change the "speaker cab" sound for different presets.
The guitar cab thing is based on using your favorite cab for all your presets.
Question:
Are you looking to use the CFR12/ Q12 as an on stage monitor or a back line?
 
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Hey Jimmy2x,
I have experience with FRFR and standard guitar cabs.
I own "2" Port City OS 12's fitted with Greenbacks and "2" CFR12's, both run by a couple Matrix GT1000FX's.
A good friend of mine has the powered Q12's and we've compared the GT1000FX/ CFR12's versus the Q12's.
Both are great, for what they do, but they are different.
As you've probably read, the whole FRFR thing is based on getting the miked sound and/or using different IR's to change the "speaker cab" sound for different presets.
The guitar cab thing is based on using your favorite cab for all your presets.
Question:
Are you looking to use the CFR12/ Q12 as an on stage monitor or a back line?

I would be using as a stage monitor at some point - I don't have any gigs lined up at the moment - so for the immediate future, more of a bedroom thing.
I have used cab blocks through my studio monitors and into my DAW - I like the sound I get - but obviously the sound is coming from a 5 inch speaker and not for stage use. I also like the sound I get from my real cab. I have seen people saying that " all the amps sound the same when using a real cab".
I'm not really finding that - to me, they do take on the characteristics of the real amp and sound pretty awesome.
I have never played through a FRFR speaker - or heard one live. So I'm just wondering if I'm missing something.
Since it sounds like you have a lot of experience with both - which do you prefer ? Do you find one sounds remarkably better than the other ?
 
I agree with you, all Axe Fx amps don't sound the same through a real guitar cab. Each has a unique character.
Remarkably better? Nope.....
My CFR-12's help me tweak my front of house sound.

When you play live, do you run the Axe Fx [Using a cab block] to the front of house or just use your Port City as a back line and either mic it or not?
If yes, then having a FRFR on stage will give you a pretty good representation of what the house hears.
The CFR-12 is a good form factor since it's aimed up at you like the typical stage floor monitor.
Do you sing too?
Again the CRF-12 is the best bet.
I think the Q-12 sounds best elevated off the floor and with bass cut at 90-100 Hz.[Q-12 has more bass than the CFR-12]
Have you checked out any of Tony Schafer's vids?
https://forum.fractalaudio.com/thre...ive-with-firmware-7-02beta-and-slo100.125531/
He's getting some great sounds from his amplified Q-12.

Currently, I am running straight to front of house in a church setting, so both my Port City's and CFR-12's are collecting dust at the house....
For Praise and Worship I prefer the CFR-12, for a medium size Bar, where I have some stage space, I prefer the Port City's.
And you can run both....
I made some IR's of the Port City's so I can run my Port City/Greenback IR's to the front of house and have a couple Port City's sitting behind me moving my pant legs.
FRFR stands for Full Range Flat Response.
Full Range means they are capable of producing a larger frequency response range than the typical guitar speaker. [20-20 kHz ish..., more like a studio monitor}
Guitar speakers are typically 75-5000 and roll off pretty quickly after 7kHz:
http://celestion.com/product/16/g12m_greenback/
Flat Response means they are less "colored" than a typical guitar speaker. [Flatter, more like a studio monitor frequency response]
Just for fun, play a CD through your guitar cab and then play it through your studio monitors.... Sound different? Mine sure do.

Bottom line:
Running the Axe Fx direct to front of house [Using the Cab Block] will get you the most consistent sound, night to night, venue to venue.
You may have to make minor tweaks to the global EQ, from one venue to the next, but once your presets are tweaked, you shouldn't have to change anything.
Miking the cab is always a crap shoot from one place to another.
It really comes down to this:
Hearing your sound on stage [via a FRFR or guitar cab], will make you more comfortable and allow you to play your best.

Since you already have a great sounding guitar cab, I recommend you get a FRFR to experiment with.
When you compare both setup at rehearsal volumes, you'll know what' best for your scenario.
It's all about preference.
Worst case scenario, if you don't like the FRFR, you sell it and move on.
 
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