Loss of Gain and Sustain When using In Ears Live

boltrecords

boltrecords

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Ive been noticing a major loss of both sustain and even gain in my presets when comparing through my CLR vs the In ears. I get great tone through my JH 16's but I just notice that the saturation is way less than when I monitor through the CLR.

I really noticed a big difference this past weekend at a gig. I was using the Periphery Rhythm preset from axe change. Its a really heavy patch and even with the drive block activated, the sustain would just die out. I even turned off the gate to make sure that wasn't the problem.

anyone else have issues like this?
 
boltrecords said:
Ive been noticing a major loss of both sustain and even gain in my presets when comparing through my CLR vs the In ears. I get great tone through my JH 16's but I just notice that the saturation is way less than when I monitor through the CLR.
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How loud was your CLR set at before switching to IEMs? That can play a huge factor of sonic isolation in how the preset was tweaked for your intended use. In other words, you don't have enough gain for zero stage noise of your specific amp/cab combo.

For me I dial in my patches at "bedroom" volume so when I play it at "stage/live" volume it is more accurately representative of my actual tone for gain/sustain which sometimes works and sometimes needs more modification on the fly. It's hard to illustrate really, but if you think of it in a way of a recorded amp & cab combo how would it sound at a specific volume FOH then stage your gain accordingly I think it could help.

That brings me to my next ?, was it just FOH and IEMs for your monitoring? If so, you may have to boost your gain or modify which drive you're utilizing to add a hint more character for the amp it's simulating. Let us know what you think mate, thanks.
 
Its physics not the Fractal or IEM or CLR's.

When using a loudspeaker, there is a physical feedback loop from speaker to guitar. Depending on the conditions, this can provide sustain.

Especially with a great speaker like the CLR, the guitar / speaker interaction is really musical and cool.
 
barhrecords said:
When using a loudspeaker, there is a physical feedback loop from speaker to guitar. Depending on the conditions, this can provide sustain.
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Great points and essentially what I was trying to say ;)

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ibanezfreak4 said:
How loud was your CLR set at before switching to IEMs? That can play a huge factor of sonic isolation in how the preset was tweaked for your intended use. In other words, you don't have enough gain for zero stage noise of your specific amp/cab combo.

For me I dial in my patches at "bedroom" volume so when I play it at "stage/live" volume it is more accurately representative of my actual tone for gain/sustain which sometimes works and sometimes needs more modification on the fly. It's hard to illustrate really, but if you think of it in a way of a recorded amp & cab combo how would it sound at a specific volume FOH then stage your gain accordingly I think it could help.

That brings me to my next ?, was it just FOH and IEMs for your monitoring? If so, you may have to boost your gain or modify which drive you're utilizing to add a hint more character for the amp it's simulating. Let us know what you think mate, thanks.
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I always dial in a gig volume. I also use the clr on stage for stage fill and to add thump and feel behind me when using in ears.

I would think that running the CLR behind me at gig volume would help with the sustain.


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boltrecords said:
I always dial in a gig volume. I also use the clr on stage for stage fill and to add thump and feel behind me when using in ears.

I would think that running the CLR behind me at gig volume would help with the sustain.


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Hi, try running the CLR's in front of you, AT your pick-ups, instead of behind you, though you and the back of the guitar.
 
klaushouz said:
Hi, try running the CLR's in front of you, AT your pick-ups, instead of behind you, though you and the back of the guitar.
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I agree that would definitely help but I'm basically running it now how I would normally run my old head/cab rig (right behind my legs). I would never run a regular amplifier angles in front of me at he front of the stage.

It's weird but I feel like the sustain is there and it's just not translating through to the inears accurately. But I don't really know for sure. It's very difficult to spend time and test stuff while at a gig setting up in a hurry.


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Perhaps your JH-16's are mid-scooped, relative to the CLR's. I was using in-ears at one point that seemed to suck all the "beef" from my tone. The mids are so critical to electric guitar. The ones I use now are much more balanced and sound great!
 
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Perhaps your JH-16's are mid-scooped, relative to the CLR's. I was using in-ears at one point that seemed to suck all the "beef" from my tone. The mids are so critical to electric guitar. The ones I use now are much more balanced and sound great!
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That could be. I'll try and boost the mids a bit on the guitar channel and see if that beefs it up a bit. Thanks


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I've noticed the same thing since going to IEM's. I've had our soundguy start setting up a JBL wedge monitor for me off to the side to see if it helps....and I'm not sure it helps with the sustain, but it helps me to 'feel' the chunk and hear the tones better.
 
Try the null mic and proximity setting in the CAB block.

I love this for adding girth to tones. It sounds better than using AMP block Bass or Depth or even EQ boosts to my ear. Proximity is very musical.
 
boltrecords said:
I agree that would definitely help but I'm basically running it now how I would normally run my old head/cab rig (right behind my legs). I would never run a regular amplifier angles in front of me at he front of the stage.
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The CLR isn't a regular amplifier though.
 
Something does seem a little strange in your setup.

With an amp/speaker in the same room, I don't experience loss of sustain.

It's like tracking with the amp in the room but using headphones. Guitar sings the same for me.
 
I dial in at gig volume using CLR's in the wedge position. I then will gig with only Carvin IEM's and still use the stock ear buds that came with it.

No physical monitors on stage.

I was worried when I first tried it out as i had read that many had this problem and needed to have that physical speaker out there for the interaction, but amazingly enough I don't experince this at all.

The one thing I prob do diff is use a small format mixer (Behringer 1204 usb) to mix my stereo monitor mix with a direct tap from the Axe FX II output 2. This way the FOH is not reprocessing my guitar feed through the monitor mix.

It also allows me to place an ambient mic where I want and have full control over its mix.
 
There is no excuse for volume in the room (whether it's a concert hall, a shitty bar or your rehearsal space) no matter what kind of monitoring system you're using. You will absolutely have sustain loss if there is nothing feeding back into your pickups. Yes, you can get tons of great sustain going direct and using in-ears with absolutely nothing on stage, but you'll need a kickin' PA in front of you to get that sound interaction back into the party.
 
I use JH16s as well live. I still run my 2x12 cab axe fx and matrix power amp at stage volume behind me on most gigs (with IEMs on). The guitar interaction totally depends on the volume of whats happening on stage.

I do a couple "silent stage" gigs (church/casino gigs) with the same rig (sans Cabinet) and the lack of any volume interacting with my guitar totally neuters the sustain and natural feedback I have. YMMV
 
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I have a question for you since you're using the same in ear system as me. The sennheiser ew300
Is there a gate or squelch setting that you know of on this system that may be causing a lack of sustain? I'm not using the gate on the axefx but it almost feels as if a gate is kicking in a bit and cutting out my guitar signal. Possibly it's within the sennheiser unit


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