JVM vs JS410 Surprise

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I've never owned or even played a real Marshall JVM410 or JS410, but I always thought the JS model seemed more desirable given who it was designed with and its more favorable reviews in general. I know tone is subjective, but does anyone else feel like me that in the AX8 the JVM models kill the JS? I find the JS modes kind of distant and fizzy compared to the JVM's louder and more present tones. To each their own I guess. I was just very surprised as I didn't expect this at all.

I almost bought the JS410 a while back. Given the modeled tones, I'm kind of glad I didn't. Does anyone have some good settings for the JS? It may just not be my cup of tea, but I love Satch and I'd like to cop some of his tones if possible. I may just be approaching the JS models the wrong way.

Hmmm...
 
RKF said:
I've never owned or even played a real Marshall JVM410 or JS410, but I always thought the JS model seemed more desirable given who it was designed with and its more favorable reviews in general. I know tone is subjective, but does anyone else feel like me that in the AX8 the JVM models kill the JS? I find the JS modes kind of distant and fizzy compared to the JVM's louder and more present tones. To each their own I guess. I was just very surprised as I didn't expect this at all.

I almost bought the JS410 a while back. Given the modeled tones, I'm kind of glad I didn't. Does anyone have some good settings for the JS? It may just not be my cup of tea, but I love Satch and I'd like to cop some of his tones if possible. I may just be approaching the JS models the wrong way.

Hmmm...
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I owned a 410HJS for a couple years and loved it. I don't find the models in the AX8 represent it very well. I also owned a 210 and found the JS blew it away, all my opinion of course.
 
there was a JVM discussion on here about 6 months ago. Myself and others that had owned the original JVM all agreed that it was thin and always go lost on the mix. I went through much pain trying to work out why I could never really be heard live and eventually replaced my amp. The JS version is much better balanced from the clips I hear and has a better midrange ...
 
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The original JVM 410 was the best valve amp I've ever owned and I have had LOTs, OD1 orange is the one for me. Such a nice amp to play. All my opinion of course, I think they get treated very unfairly.
 
rickgk said:
The original JVM 410 was the best valve amp I've ever owned and I have had LOTs, OD1 orange is the one for me. Such a nice amp to play. All my opinion of course, I think they get treated very unfairly.
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I guess I should qualify my comment a bit. I loved the amp features to death. It had the nicest clean sound and light crunch I had ever had. But 3 pub rock bands later, and 2 different sets of pickups as well as numerous other guitarists playing it and I gave up. The mids were just wouldn't cut through. Plug my guitar into other amps and the sound was there. Anyhow like you say, each to their own. I would love to have had a crack at the JS version in real life - I suspect I might have bonded with that one a bit more. I ended up selling and getting a Mesa Boogie RA-100 ... wow - what an amp. No missing midrange there, just sweetness. And now, Marshalls, Friedmans, Boogies, Bogners, and everything else under the sun ... the AX8 covers it all. Love it
 
I have never tried the real life amps, but the JS410 in the AX8 is my go-to amp. I use both the crunch and lead channels. I pair it with the basketweave tv mix- stock cab. Getting lovely crunchy tones, and great lead sounds.
 
RKF said:
I find the JS modes kind of distant and fizzy compared to the JVM's louder and more present tones.
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I think we may have found the answer. Louder always sound better. If the JS is too quiet...turn it up. ;)
 
brokenvail said:
Did you use cliff tips for dialing it in he got from Satch?
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Yeah keeping the tone controls around 10:00 as Joe does (according to Cliff) didn't help. I never keep my treble that low as I like a more present tone. Just comes down to personal preference I guess. Luckily it's as easy as spinnng a knob and finding a better amp with the AX8. :))
 
RKF said:
I've never owned or even played a real Marshall JVM410 or JS410, but I always thought the JS model seemed more desirable given who it was designed with and its more favorable reviews in general. I know tone is subjective, but does anyone else feel like me that in the AX8 the JVM models kill the JS? I find the JS modes kind of distant and fizzy compared to the JVM's louder and more present tones. To each their own I guess. I was just very surprised as I didn't expect this at all.

I almost bought the JS410 a while back. Given the modeled tones, I'm kind of glad I didn't. Does anyone have some good settings for the JS? It may just not be my cup of tea, but I love Satch and I'd like to cop some of his tones if possible. I may just be approaching the JS models the wrong way.

Hmmm...
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I got the same sensation....
JS (1000/2410) lost "his soul" with my NEW AX8..
I did some experiments in order to get a good preset

an example here attached (ideal for JS2410 especially with neck pickup but also with mojo - use the volume pot to find your favourite tone..)

let me know about
 

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Roberto M said:
I got the same sensation....
JS (1000/2410) lost "his soul" with my NEW AX8..
I did same experiments in order to get a good preset

an example here attached (ideal for JS2410 especially with neck pickup but also with mojo - use the volume pot to find your favourite tone..)

let me know about
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Thanks for the patch! That's very usable as is. Very interesting settings for the TS808 in that one. I notice you have a very narrow frequency range set in it. You also keep the mids way lower than I typically do. Gives me a new direction to go in.

Thanks,
 
Roberto M said:
I got the same sensation....
JS (1000/2410) lost "his soul" with my NEW AX8..
I did same experiments in order to get a good preset

an example here attached (ideal for JS2410 especially with neck pickup but also with mojo - use the volume pot to find your favourite tone..)

let me know about
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great preset...thanx!
 
RKF said:
Thanks for the patch! That's very usable as is. Very interesting settings for the TS808 in that one. I notice you have a very narrow frequency range set in it. You also keep the mids way lower than I typically do. Gives me a new direction to go in.

Thanks,
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Thanks, I use tube screamer more o less..like a booster...so you can engage it for a lead part and you'll have a bit of "more" distortion. The Ax8 is connected to an AW2400, so I use mainly the headphones, but I think this preset sounds good. (For me..)
 
rickgk said:
The original JVM 410 was the best valve amp I've ever owned and I have had LOTs, OD1 orange is the one for me. Such a nice amp to play. All my opinion of course, I think they get treated very unfairly.
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I liked OD1 orange too ! So I modded OD2 to be the same as OD1 amongst others and now I have two instances of OD orange...
 
rickgk said:
The original JVM 410 was the best valve amp I've ever owned and I have had LOTs, OD1 orange is the one for me. Such a nice amp to play. All my opinion of course, I think they get treated very unfairly.
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Plus 1. I currently own 16 valve amps and my ax8. I love ALL of them, but the JVM410 (original, just re-tubed all to stock specs) remains my live head of choice. At least every other show, I have people asking me about my tone (they love it). They are surprised that all the tone is from the head, my mulitfx is only effects and channel switching.
 
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