Intelligent Pitch shifter question...

shotgunn

shotgunn

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Hey guys!

I just posted a wish list item for this because as far as I know what I want is not yet possible. For those that are familiar with Metallica's song Master of Puppets. I am referring to the melodic interlude (right after the clean part) before James' solo. It is in E minor but has an added note (Major 7th) Eb. When I set the pitch block for E Minor harmonized in 3rds higher it does every note perfectly except the Eb note. The harmony should be a Minor 3 note of F#.

Is there any way to get the harmonizer to play an F# over the Eb note? I supposed I could set an expression pedal as a modifier to adjust the note manually. Any other automated type ideas?


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The harmonizer can't do the d# when set to E minor because it's not part of that harmony.

I think you could split your signal to 2 harmonizers and have the 2nd one do the major 7.
I don't have the part you are referring to in mind, so if it's just for one note it's maybe not worth it this way.

Not sure how an f# would help you.
 
year2525 said:
The harmonizer can't do the d# when set to E minor because it's not part of that harmony.

I think you could split your signal to 2 harmonizers and have the 2nd one do the major 7.
I don't have the part you are referring to in mind, so if it's just for one note it's maybe not worth it this way.

Not sure how an f# would help you.
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Harmonic Minor has D#.

However, if it is an extra note within the scale (meaning you need use the D note as well) you can just use a custom scale. You go into the global menu -scales and define specifically what harmony you want for each pitch.
 
To me in sounded like he wanted the harmozier to do an E minor triad (+g +b) and then the d# on top of it.

I may be wrong in that understanding!
 
javajunkie said:
Harmonic Minor has D#.

However, if it is an extra note within the scale (meaning you need use the D note as well) you can just use a custom scale. You go into the global menu -scales and define specifically what harmony you want for each pitch.
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It also has a minor 2d and a Major 3rd soooo... I tried that already. I had good results using the external controller to modify it. Having it done for me would be great as there is already a lot of footwork for me in this song.


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year2525 said:
To me in sounded like he wanted the harmozier to do an E minor triad (+g +b) and then the d# on top of it.

I may be wrong in that understanding!
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No, not a triad. Just a two part harmony played in E minor (with an added Major 7th scale tone) harmonized in thirds (higher).


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shotgunn said:
It also has a minor 2d and a Major 3rd soooo... I tried that already. I had good results using the external controller to modify it. Having it done for me would be great as there is already a lot of footwork for me in this song.


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No Harmonic minor is major 2nd, minor 3rd (hence being a minor scale). Harmonic Minor is the same as a Natural Minor but with a raised 7th degree.

But global custom scale is what you want. Looks like bakerman's post should get you covered.
 
I had to set up "Magic Man" by Heart, which uses 4 different harmonies at one point. I have it set up across 2 different pitch blocks with X/Y switching, so I can do it all from one preset - goes from P1:X to P1:Y to P2:Y to P2:X - there's a bit of tap-dancing to pull it off, but it works pretty well.
 
I dont know the song but harmonic minor has a major second. Of course if you play a mode of it starting on its fifth it will give you Spanish Phrygian with a minor second. E.g A harmonic minor, starting on E. or E Phrygian with a major third.

But if the song is E harmonic minor and has D and D# it may be actually melodic minor, which in classical circles is different on the way up than the way down.
 
Bakerman said:
You could do what you described with one global custom scale, but if you're trying to get the exact MoP notes there's a D with the higher B and a D# with the lower B.

http://forum.fractalaudio.com/ultra...cales-pitch-shifter-need-help.html#post356668

Here's the Ultra preset no longer attached there:

http://dl.dropbox.com/u/28651/axefx/MOP_Harmony.syx
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I don't know what you mean? The D note should have an F# (Major 3rd higher) and the D# should also have an F# sharp (Minor 3rd higher). I don't understand what you mean by the higher B and the lower B.

Also... So is it still not possible to do with with only pitch block? If I do it with two pitch blocks how to I switch from natural minor to harmonic minor? I have this working with one pitch block now, but I use an exp pedal to shift to a minor 3rd for the D#.

I'm still missing something. I programmed a custom global scale with the following harmonies for the notes...

E - G (3 semi)
F# - A (3 semi)
G - B (4 semi)
A - C (3 semi)
B - D (3 semi)
C - E (4 semi)
D - F# (4 semi)
D# - F# (3 semi)

To no avail. Now it plays minors 3rds over the C and D notes. All other notes are correct. What's the deal?


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javajunkie said:
No Harmonic minor is major 2nd, minor 3rd (hence being a minor scale). Harmonic Minor is the same as a Natural Minor but with a raised 7th degree.

But global custom scale is what you want. Looks like bakerman's post should get you covered.
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You're right... Brain fart.


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Just listened to it on you tube, nice harmony part. Not Phrygian at all, but D and D # both are as you say harmonised by F# which would seem to be a bit of a logic problem for a computing device, how will it know which you want when, looks like having to have both a natural minor harmonised and harmonic minor separately and tap dancing. Or doing some double stops with the fingers.
 
stratamania said:
Just listened to it on you tube, nice harmony part. Not Phrygian at all, but D and D # both are as you say harmonised by F# which would seem to be a bit of a logic problem for a computing device, how will it know which you want when, looks like having to have both a natural minor harmonised and harmonic minor separately and tap dancing. Or doing some double stops with the fingers.
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D and D# being harmonized to F# is not a problem using global scales. You create the interval to play for each note.
 
shotgunn said:
I don't know what you mean? The D note should have an F# (Major 3rd higher) and the D# should also have an F# sharp (Minor 3rd higher). I don't understand what you mean by the higher B and the lower B.

Also... So is it still not possible to do with with only pitch block? If I do it with two pitch blocks how to I switch from natural minor to harmonic minor? I have this working with one pitch block now, but I use an exp pedal to shift to a minor 3rd for the D#.

I'm still missing something. I programmed a custom global scale with the following harmonies for the notes...

E - G (3 semi)
F# - A (3 semi)
G - B (4 semi)
A - C (3 semi)
B - D (3 semi)
C - E (4 semi)
D - F# (4 semi)
D# - F# (3 semi)

To no avail. Now it plays minors 3rds over the C and D notes. All other notes are correct. What's the deal?


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I'll test when I get home. Did you change your pitch type to Custom Shift and choose the correct global scales (remember - you can define a different global scale for each voice)
 
javajunkie said:
D and D# being harmonized to F# is not a problem using global scales. You create the interval to play for each note.
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I did this in the global scales menu and it still doesn't work. The D and D# both get the F# harmony, except now the C and D notes are both getting Minor 3rd harmonies (F and Eb respectively). What am I doing wrong?


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shotgunn said:
I did this in the global scales menu and it still doesn't work. The D and D# both get the F# harmony, except now the C and D notes are both getting Minor 3rd harmonies (F and Eb respectively). What am I doing wrong?


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see my edit above.
 
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