Wish Input Trim Knob for the Compressor Block

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I would like an input trim knob for the compressor block. I was trying to get significant amounts of gain reduction after the Amp Block with a low ratio. To do this I had to boost the level into the compressor block by either increasing the Amp Block level, or placing a Volume Block before the compressor. In this scenario, bypassing the compressor block will result in a huge increase in volume straight to the Output Block. An input trim knob would allow for internal gain staging that can be safely contained in the single block.
 
The gain reduction is proportionate to the Ratio, so a low ratio will not really give you a significant gain reduction. If you need more gain reduction, increase the ratio and/or lower the threshold.
 
When achieving 10db gain reduction, wouldn't hotter signal>lower threshold>lower ratio allow for more dynamic range than an average signal>differently set threshold>higher ratio? I'm also looking for the "good sounding" artifacts that occur when a compression unit is really laid into, which I think the Fractal unit will deliver.

I believe the Auto Makeup gain stage occurs after the compression stage to make up for the gain reduction of the compression stage. I'm aiming to increae the level feeding the compressor before it ever touches the compression stage.
 
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When achieving 10db gain reduction, wouldn't hotter signal>lower threshold>lower ratio allow for more dynamic range than an average signal>differently set threshold>higher ratio?
I thought you were aiming for a lot of compression. That’s less dynamic range.

I believe the Auto Makeup gain stage occurs after the compression stage to make up for the gain reduction of the compression stage.
You said the problem was a change in level when you bypass the compressor. Makeup gain fixes that.

I'm aiming to increae the level feeding the compressor before it ever touches the compression stage.
Help me understand. You said you wanted a lot of gain reduction with a low ratio. That’s like saying, “I want my car to accelerate quickly with a load of bricks in the trunk.” You’re kind of working against yourself.
 
Just to be clear, I'm not simply looking for a target gain reduction. I'm trying to get color as well as compression from the Compressor as an audio effect, like one might do in a studio with a nice rack unit. Overdrive the hell out of it, it'll sound different. And I'm placing the compressor after the amp block as post processing. I have bottomed out the threshold. I'm using the Tube Compressor, which has no auto makeup switch (which i do not believe is relevant in this scenario). My preset before the compressor hovers around the 0db level of the preset leveling tool in Axe Edit (as I don't want to experience loud "events" when bypassing blocks). From that point I want to hit the Tube Compressor with a ton of clean gain to slaughter the nice emulated circuit. Compressors tend to have an effect when hit hard. And I'm looking for that effect. To do that, either I have to really increase the level of the amp block (may cause loud "events" when blocks are bypassed), or plop a volume block before the compressor (which may cause loud "events" when the compressor block is bypassed). And yes, I want a low to medium ratio, somewhere between 2:1 and 4:1 for the feel of the compression. As well as 15-20db gain reduction which Abby Road recommended on their modified version of the Altec Lansing 436C (axe fx Tube Compressor). I'm running a bass through it now, but I bet drum rooms and other sources would sound great as well.

These are not the values I am using. But they are nice round values that make the math easy to explain. Say you have a 2:1 ratio. Your compressor threshold is at -60. Audio signal is at -40, That makes the audio signal 20db above the threshold. A 20db peak over the threshold at a 2:1 ratio gets compressed in half to 10 above the threshold, or -50. If we want the same target value, with the same signal, but with a 10:1 ratio, the threshold will have to rise to -50ish. That makes the signal of -40db 10db above the threshold. This makes the peak of the signal get compressed to 1/10 of its overage, roughly the same value. But instead of being cut in half, signals are reduced by 1/10 when using a 10:1 ratio. Compression ratios impart an audible difference, even in more subtle changes of ratio. And there is definitely more dynamic range in a 2:1 ratio than a 10:1 ratio (or a 4:1). A hard strum and a soft strum will be compressed to a very similar amount at a 10:1 ratio, while you can still get variances between a hard strum and a soft strum at a 2:1 ratio.

10:1 > 10 becomes 1 and 5 becomes .5. Essentially a limiter.
2:1 > 10 become 5 and 5 becomes 2.5. More dynamics.

Thus my wish for an input trim knob within the compressor block itself. I can get all the clean gain I need for this effect right in the block. And that gain will be bypassed with the compressor block, whether it is bypassed accidentally or otherwise. If this does not explain my intentions and the thought process behind them, then I guess I need to work on how I express myself. If that's the case, sorry for wasting all of your time, guys. I appreciate the FAS community and don't wish to be a nuisance.
 
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What is your Instrument Level parameter set to in the Comp block? If you set it to Instrument when the Comp block is after the amp block, you'll be hitting the compressor much harder than when set to Line.
 
Here's an example to display the difference by adding 20db of input gain with a volume block into the compressor with a bass loop. Exact same compressor ratio, attack, release, and threshold settings. Only difference is volume compensation. Tube comp, - 60 threshold, 4:1 ratio, fastest attack, 100ms release, input level: instrument. And it is mixed with the dry amp tone, so I'm using parallel compression. The compressor breaks up much more with the added input gain. This is the color I am talking about. It's only achieved by blasting the front of the compressor.

Riff starts with normal input gain. Second time around has the 20db boost into the compressor. Again without. Again with.

 
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