Input 1 gate vs using a Decimator.

[AlGrenadine]

I remember a post by @FractalAudio saying not to use the input gate, specifically the noise reducer plus the gate block, is this still considered "best practise"?

Obviously whatever works for each person and gives them the result they want is the solution they need rather than maybe what should be done.

@AlGrenadine I take it you prefer the gate before the amp rather than post amp with the sidechain source set to input 1?

I also use the low cut 1000Hz high cut 1000Hz settings, works great.

I didn't try these settings post-amp but i will

 

[siin82]

Yes, and no : expander just after the noise filter (input 1 block):
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Then expander :

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Of course, these settings were created at gig volume. In my tests, the notes have more sustain than with the Decimator, which i had to set to about -32/-40 dB threshold

Could you please share why you use both the Input noise gate and the Gate block? I don't understand why you would need both in succession the way you're using them.

 

[AlGrenadine]

Could you please share why you use both the Input noise gate and the Gate block? I don't understand why you would need both in succession the way you're using them.

Because the noisefilter just removes the hum
And i use very higain

 

[siin82]

Because the noisefilter just removes the hum
And i use very higain

What else do you want to remove?

I use very hi-gain amps and only use Input noise gate now (used to use gate block before v 25). Not looking to judge...looking to understand.

 

[AlGrenadine]

What else do you want to remove?

I use very hi-gain amps and only use Input noise gate now (used to use gate block before v 25). Not looking to judge...looking to understand.

What the noisefilter doesn't
Try it, if you use my settings, using only the noisefilter with gig volumes and higain you'll still have a lot of noise even when muting strings...

 

[blastbeatdown]

I remember a post by @FractalAudio saying not to use the input gate, specifically the noise reducer plus the gate block, is this still considered "best practise"?

Can anyone else confirm? I’ve had my input gate set to noise reducer for months. I use a gate block after the amp, so the input gate isn’t really doing anything anyway. Figured it can’t hurt, but I could be wrong. I don’t play at gig volumes lately.

 

[Dr No]

You shouldn't use gate and noise reduction together. One or the other.

Found it

 

[AlGrenadine]

Found it

It works perfectly using both, so... But i use expander, not gate, did he mean gate block or gate type?

 

[Thomas Obester]

Yes, and no : expander just after the noise filter (input 1 block):
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Then expander :

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Of course, these settings were created at gig volume. In my tests, the notes have more sustain than with the Decimator, which i had to set to about -32/-40 dB threshold

Woohooo ! so I´ve tried your settings with noise reducer in the IN 1 block and I´m super impressed !

I can clearly hear, how it reduces the noise without altering the dynamics, especially when I´m in the single coil mode on my LP.

I have almost no noise with single coil mode, that´s crazy !

With my old settings in the IN 1 block (Intelligent mode) it works like a standard gate.

Now with your settings, it significantly reduces unwanted noise and I can use my gate block with my old settings and it works like a charm together.

Now it´s the first time in loooong time that I prefer the fractal gates compared to ISP decimator / Revv G8.

thank you so much for this inspiration @AlGrenadine and thank you @FractalAudio for doing your thing for us all !

 

[vow2k]

Yes, and no : expander just after the noise filter (input 1 block):
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Then expander :

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Of course, these settings were created at gig volume. In my tests, the notes have more sustain than with the Decimator, which i had to set to about -32/-40 dB threshold

@AlGrenadine Thank you for sharing these settings... It made a huge difference.

 

[blastbeatdown]

@AlGrenadine @Liam Thompson man I gotta thank you guys for reminding me about the high + low cuts both set around 1k trick. I did this once before, but it works like a charm with the modern expander

 

[j20056]

Quick question: Why are you putting the Gate block so early in the chain? Why not after the power amp as very high gain amps will add noise even if there is no input signal? I am attempting to get rid of my Decimator Rack unit so keen to see if that works. Also someone may have mentioned that this construct may not be well behave at the tail end of a high gain decaying single note in a lead? In fact, the original version of the Decimator Rack unit was also not great at it, but ISP offered to modify the unit for free to handle that and it did so really well. I don't want to lose that obviously, so curious. At the end, I should just try it I suppose, but would need to understand the Gate block placement

 

[siin82]

Quick question: Why are you putting the Gate block so early in the chain? Why not after the power amp as very high gain amps will add noise even if there is no input signal? I am attempting to get rid of my Decimator Rack unit so keen to see if that works. Also someone may have mentioned that this construct may not be well behave at the tail end of a high gain decaying single note in a lead? In fact, the original version of the Decimator Rack unit was also not great at it, but ISP offered to modify the unit for free to handle that and it did so really well. I don't want to lose that obviously, so curious. At the end, I should just try it I suppose, but would need to understand the Gate block placement

Yeah, in the real amp world, I had my Decimator right before the amp, after OD and other pedals that added distortion, and then at the beginning of the effects loop. Basically, the Decimator went right after any distortion (pedals first, then amp).

In the Fractal world, it seems different. Having the noise gate on the Input block is completely contrary to what I just wrote, but still does the trick. Someone who understands why this is so would have to explain, because I don't get why this works.

 

[j20056]

I have my Decimator in the power amp FX loop, just before FX Return, so as late as possible in the chain. Having said that, the Decimator rack first takes the guitar signal to "track" the raw guitar signal, but the actual noise reduction circuit has a separate In/Out in the back of the unit (or in my case two of them as I have the Stereo Decimator). Anyways, at this point I need to try this, and see how well it works including the decaying single note I mentioned above. I'll try this weekend and report back.