how do you control high end when going real power amp and cabinet ?

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CT76

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Honest question, I don’t see the need to provide more frequencies than are really there. When I go straight fm3 to poweramp to cab it’s so obnoxious in the high end, my mooer preamp live isn’t like that at all it’s just like an amp.

I find I have to cut the high treble by -9.00 , so it seems mooer only represents the frequencies the amp has and no other, where the fractal needs to be dialed in to sound like a guitar amp, why offer these frequencies at all? Or am I wrong all together?
 
It's not as simple as "why are these frequencies represented?". There's a lot to untangle here;

-The typical frequency response of a loaded amplifier has a lot of information above 10khz
-Typical guitar speakers have a pretty aggressive high end roll off above 5-6khz
-Microphones have their own frequency response, that when coupled with close micing techniques can result in a lot of extra high and low end information being captured.
-Dialing in an amp for an enjoyable mic'd tone is usually very different to dialling in an enjoyable :amp in the room" sound
-Studio style equalizers are designed to deal with diverse instruments, so tend to represent a broad range of frequencies
-Guitar modellers often include studio style equalizers, either as stand alone blocks or in their cabinet emulation blocks for tone shaping.
-If you're playing through a guitar cab, speaker choice is going to be a massive factor in the overall "in the room" experience.

You don't mention the rest of your rig here - what guitar, speakers and power amp are you using, and what type of "amp in the room" tone are you chasing?
 
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onebaldbloke said:
CT76 - I assume this is a joke lost in translation?.....
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no, I just recently acquired a mooer preamp live, I was mad as hell when I plugged it into the same set up as my fractal but it was just more, more of everything. I love my fractal but the fractals short comings really came out recently. I figured since Mooer doesn't offer eq on the preamp, and its not needed, that they just gave us the useful frequencies and trimmed all the fat
 
2112 said:
There's a lot to untangle here;

-The typical frequency response of a loaded amplifier has a lot of information above 10khz
-Typical guitar speakers have a pretty aggressive high end roll off above 5-6khz
-Microphones have their own frequency response, that when coupled with close micing techniques can result in a lot of extra high and low end information being captured.
-Dialing in an amp for an enjoyable mic'd tone is usually very different to dialling in an enjoyable :amp in the room" sound
-Studio style equalizers are designed to deal with diverse instruments, so tend to represent a broad range of frequencies
-Guitar modellers often include studio style equalizers, either as stand alone blocks or in their cabinet emulation blocks for tone shaping.
-If you're playing through a guitar cab, speaker choice is going to be a massive factor in the overall "in the room" experience.

You don't mention the rest of your rig here - what guitar, speakers and power amp are you using, and what type of "amp in the room" tone are you chasing?
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you can't deny plugging into a ss power amp and cab that the fractal is very buzzy and shrill compared to others
 
2112 said:
There's a lot to untangle here;

-The typical frequency response of a loaded amplifier has a lot of information above 10khz
-Typical guitar speakers have a pretty aggressive high end roll off above 5-6khz
-Microphones have their own frequency response, that when coupled with close micing techniques can result in a lot of extra high and low end information being captured.
-Dialing in an amp for an enjoyable mic'd tone is usually very different to dialling in an enjoyable :amp in the room" sound
-Studio style equalizers are designed to deal with diverse instruments, so tend to represent a broad range of frequencies
-Guitar modellers often include studio style equalizers, either as stand alone blocks or in their cabinet emulation blocks for tone shaping.
-If you're playing through a guitar cab, speaker choice is going to be a massive factor in the overall "in the room" experience.

You don't mention the rest of your rig here - what guitar, speakers and power amp are you using, and what type of "amp in the room" tone are you chasing?
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I use a electric amps purple cab loaded with eminence man o wars, with a quilter pro block, apples to apples everything the same, the mooer is just more amp like
 
CT76 said:
no, I just recently acquired a mooer preamp live, I was mad as hell when I plugged it into the same set up as my fractal but it was just more, more of everything. I love my fractal but the fractals short comings really came out recently. I figured since Mooer doesn't offer eq on the preamp, and its not needed, that they just gave us the useful frequencies and trimmed all the fat
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CT76 said:
If that’s why fractal sounds sooo digital I mean going into a real poweramp and cab
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You haven't said what was in your signal chain in your Fractal, nor anything about your amp and cab. Do you have a Cab block? Do you have power amp modeling disabled?

Please also explain what "digital" sounds like.
 
rossipedia said:
I would much rather have the full 20hz - 20khz range and have the tools to filter out what I don't need, than not have the full range and find I need some of it.

When it comes to audio, it's much, much easier to cut something out, than put something there that doesn't exist.
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I figured this would be the most logical, I wish fractal would provide better instructions on how to match source amps, this is why I always leave. I see more people trying to get real amp tones than the other , I would hope they would make it easier
 
unix-guy said:
You haven't said what was in your signal chain in your Fractal, nor anything about your amp and cab. Do you have a Cab block? Do you have power amp modeling disabled?

Please also explain what "digital" sounds like.
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power amp on, on both units, no cab as im going into a real cab on both units. im using hum buster cables from fractal, bc rich guitars, mogami cables and Petrucci dunlop picks
 
unix-guy said:
You haven't said what was in your signal chain in your Fractal, nor anything about your amp and cab. Do you have a Cab block? Do you have power amp modeling disabled?

Please also explain what "digital" sounds like.
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the digital definition is over extended high frequencies that make the sound sterile and shrill
 
2112 said:
It's not as simple as "why are these frequencies represented?". There's a lot to untangle here;

-The typical frequency response of a loaded amplifier has a lot of information above 10khz
-Typical guitar speakers have a pretty aggressive high end roll off above 5-6khz
-Microphones have their own frequency response, that when coupled with close micing techniques can result in a lot of extra high and low end information being captured.
-Dialing in an amp for an enjoyable mic'd tone is usually very different to dialling in an enjoyable :amp in the room" sound
-Studio style equalizers are designed to deal with diverse instruments, so tend to represent a broad range of frequencies
-Guitar modellers often include studio style equalizers, either as stand alone blocks or in their cabinet emulation blocks for tone shaping.
-If you're playing through a guitar cab, speaker choice is going to be a massive factor in the overall "in the room" experience.

You don't mention the rest of your rig here - what guitar, speakers and power amp are you using, and what type of "amp in the room" tone are you chasing?
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im taking everything out of this equation, very simple im going amp only into a real cab and power amp
 
Do you have a source amp you're trying to match, and if so what is it?

A given modeller being accurate versus being to your preference are two different questions too. it's totally possible one modeller is more accurate when compared to a given reference amp, but less to your individual preference.

At the end of the day rely on the mantra "ears not eyes", whatever platform you're using.
 
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