Hoping to get amp/cab captures in Fractal gear in the future, does that appeal to anyone?

[vangrieg]

Love the sound of your first no name overdrive that barely works? Profile it and use it with Fractal amp models. Custom built a tube amp kit that just has a special something? Profile it and apply Fractal effects.

Somehow I suspect there are a total of 15 people who actually care and bother to do that apart from playing with a new device.

Kinda reminds me the arguments about Linux superiority due to the fact that you can compile your own binaries.

 

[jimfist]

Plenty of creative ways to implement NAM profiles that will enhance the user experience without undermining existing modeling IMHO.
Easiest decision for those who aren't interested in NAM...ignore it. I personally can't wait to dig into some niche stuff and other favorites that aren't modeled in the product line. I agree that implementing NAM will help get complainers ( like me) off of Cliff's back.
This definitely puts me on board for the next iteration of FAS products, preferably the FM9+++ with whatever else the engineers can conjure up.
Love this decision.

 

[Juca Nery]

It's not going to be mutually exclusive. The type of player that would support your business would support NAM profiles as they don't have the patience or skills to build their own presets. Those who are comfortable rolling their own not only will do so but potentially profile unique/old pieces of gear to "import" them into the unit. It's a win/win. Love the sound of your first no name overdrive that barely works? Profile it and use it with Fractal amp models. Custom built a tube amp kit that just has a special something? Profile it and apply Fractal effects.

I might consider that if the market asks for it. But if it’s going to be featured in newer units, I will not invest so soon after buying an FM3 and FM9. Pretty expensive stuff. But I have Tone X and profile some amps. Profiling takes a lot of time in my case. Even so NAM can be a rabbit hole. I’m a firm believer that whatever you get from NAM you can also get from the FM9 alone with the same quality.

 

[Dave Merrill]

Or profile your custom Fractal presets and pretend like you "have the amp".

Or profile your custom Fractal presets so you can use a tiny device as a backup or couch rig.

 

[Will Chen]

I might consider that if the market asks for it. But if it’s going to be featured in newer units, I will not invest so soon after buying an FM3 and FM9. Pretty expensive stuff. But I have Tone X and profile some amps. Profiling takes a lot of time in my case. Even so NAM can be a rabbit hole. I’m a firm believer that whatever you get from NAM you can also get from the FM9 alone with the same quality.

My interest in a next gen Fractal device is the hope of a smaller but more powerful FM3, not specifically in NAM profiles, but the addition absolutely opens some doors to an even more flexible unit.

 

[Rogerthat]

With all that horsepower, I bet that a new poly synth will be coming. I also bet the reverbs are going to be epic.

 

[Rogerthat]

Plenty of creative ways to implement NAM profiles that will enhance the user experience without undermining existing modeling IMHO.
Easiest decision for those who aren't interested in NAM...ignore it. I personally can't wait to dig into some niche stuff and other favorites that aren't modeled in the product line. I agree that implementing NAM will help get complainers ( like me) off of Cliff's back.
This definitely puts me on board for the next iteration of FAS products, preferably the FM9+++ with whatever else the engineers can conjure up.
Love this decision.

Yeah I'd just ignore NAM unless Cliff has figured out how to reduce the aliasing to the levels of the Axe III.

Whether it works or not, there are people looking into the techniques: https://arxiv.org/abs/2505.04082v1

 

[jimfist]

Yeah I'd just ignore NAM unless Cliff has figured out how to reduce the aliasing to the levels of the Axe III.

Whether it works or not, there are people looking into the techniques: https://arxiv.org/abs/2505.04082v1

I'm looking at NAM pretty narrowly in the context of bass amps & pedals, which is pretty niche territory here in Fractal Land. In the end, I'll do what I've always done, which is trust my own experiences after trying it out for a while. This is yet TBD since I've never used NAM in any form yet. Fractal supporting NAM makes the dive worth it because I'll trust that they'll do it well. I do hear/read a lot on forums from bassists using the Anagram who are quite happy with their NAM implementation. I have zero interest in the Anagram, or the Quad Cortex for that matter. It'll be FAS for me.

 

[km 202257]

I personally welcome implementation of NAM (provided that it is run natively without conversion) but not the discussion, question, and promotion on its models dominating the FAS forum and crowding out the discussion on other features, especially amp models.
Maybe some vendors are starting to think about promotion/customer support strategy here, but I hope the Admin strictly prohibit any posts regarding particular NAM models, including ones to be bundled in the preset/ir packs for FAS devices. I believe such posts be handled in the appropriate community like the official NAM FB group or other "vendor-agnostic" forum like TGF.

 

[rossipedia]

Yeah thinking about this a bit more... Zero interest in NAM / Captures / Profiles. Not a selling point for me at all. But I am cool with Fractal catering to those who do care about that kind of thing.

 

[normanaj]

I recently jumped on the ToneX train. I love both units but, to me, there is definitely a difference in sound and feel between a well captured and modeled amp. Agreed amp modelling is so close it will satisfy most users but it would be great to have the two brought together. Having the option to use a captured amp with all the glorious fractal effects in one box would be so cool.

 

[Stratman68]

Yeah thinking about this a bit more... Zero interest in NAM / Captures / Profiles. Not a selling point for me at all. But I am cool with Fractal catering to those who do care about that kind of thing.

Same for me!

 

[skolacki]

I personally welcome implementation of NAM (provided that it is run natively without conversion) but not the discussion, question, and promotion on its models dominating the FAS forum and crowding out the discussion on other features, especially amp models.
Maybe some vendors are starting to think about promotion/customer support strategy here, but I hope the Admin strictly prohibit any posts regarding particular NAM models, including ones to be bundled in the preset/ir packs for FAS devices. I believe such posts be handled in the appropriate community like the official NAM FB group or other "vendor-agnostic" forum like TGF.

If people buy a FAS modeler to run NAM which they will then NAM topic's will be posted. I’m not interested in capturing but obviously there are people that want this. It wouldn’t be right to censor them on the forum since NAM will be a part of the modeler made and sold by FAS. There will probably be a NAM topics forum. And…there goes the neighborhood

 

[DLC86]

but I hope the Admin strictly prohibit any posts regarding particular NAM models, including ones to be bundled in the preset/ir packs for FAS devices. I believe such posts be handled in the appropriate community like the official NAM FB group or other "vendor-agnostic" forum like TGF.

Sorry but that looks like a quite silly request, honestly... It's like asking to prohibit discussions about IRs in wav format cuz they're compatible with all the other modelers and plugins and so they should only be discussed on TGF and FB.
If something isn't interesting for you, just ignore it.

 

[fremen]

Sorry but that looks like a quite silly request, honestly... It's like asking to prohibit discussions about IRs in wav format cuz they're compatible with all the other modelers and plugins and so they should only be discussed on TGF and FB.
If something isn't interesting for you, just ignore it.

+1, and it safe to assume that there will be a sub-forum for NAM based presets anyway

 

[normanaj]

Sorry but that looks like a quite silly request, honestly... It's like asking to prohibit discussions about IRs in wav format cuz they're compatible with all the other modelers and plugins and so they should only be discussed on TGF and FB.
If something isn't interesting for you, just ignore it.

Another +1 here. It is in the list of requests for the next gen. Either a profile block or capture capabilities. I think profile block is a better way to go since there are already so many great captures out there in the wild.

 

[swiss studio]

Yeah I'd just ignore NAM unless Cliff has figured out how to reduce the aliasing to the levels of the Axe III.

Whether it works or not, there are people looking into the techniques: https://arxiv.org/abs/2505.04082v1

Good news for ya : I made a nam using TTS WAV, and I have less aliasing with sine sweeps testing 10k-20kHz than using same amp model and matched gain in my AFXiii turbo. Nam can learn to auto correct aliasing phenomena if you show it how to easily spot it. Of course I tested out of distribution for aliasing testing (not same sweeps as training). Also null test in slightly better too.

 

[Dave Merrill]

Apparently you can't buy the Dimehead player in the US at this point due to tariffs. Yay. They're working on it.

UPDATE: That's no longer true, they now ship directly to the US, customs duties etc included in shipping cost, $95 for my address.

Leaving this here since i don't thinking updating a post makes it show up New Posts.

 

[momogris]

Did you turn down the variac?

Note I greatly prefer the Brown sounds in the Fractal over Tonex.

The Tonex system of captures is a hot mess to me. Doom scrolling capture snapshots to find a tone … not fun. The Brown sound collection has a giant pile of one man’s ‘authentic’ captures. Which one is real one? They’re radically different even within a collection? Some are flat out horrible.

None are any better than what you can quickly dial in on the Fractal. Expect the Fractal lets you find your Brown tone for your
Rig.

That’s what Fractal is all about and why it has no equal. No gimmicks, just tone.

I recently bought a ToneX one and after twenty minutes was repacking it to send it back. Awful to me ears. I wanted as a back up for my Fm9…. Nope!

 

[mr_fender]

You can use the Tonex to capture amps from the FM9. It can make a fine compact back up unit.

Captures can sound quite good as long as you are able to dial in exactly the tone you want on the source before you capture it. They suck at adjustability compared to full models.