GLOBALLY Turn OFF Cabinet Modeling for JUST Output 2?

[DLC86]

The test is not great. There's a 50% chance of getting it right on a guess. A better test would be asking someone to sort out three or more samples into their respective types.

Yup, was thinking the exact same thing
But OTOH there's proof they're identical, reversing the phase on one of the two samples produces absolute silence.

 

[Admin M@]

reversing the phase on one of the two samples produces absolute silence.

Naturally.

 

[DLC86]

Anyway, here's the preset I used to record the samples (which actually are just the L and R channels of one take) if anyone wants to try by himself.

 

[DLC86]

1. Amazing how popular both Morgan and Friedman are regardless of the modeling platform.
What is it about these amps that models/profiles so well?

Morgan is simply one of the best amp models for edge-of-breakup tones.
I don't know about Friedmans, I don't use them that much.

3. All I am saying is that I have tried messing around with IR/CAB/EQ placement with both 100% analog,
100% digital, and various combos of both and I could hear a difference in some instances.
Again, mainly with pronounced, longer delays. Especially when multiple repeats are added.

As I said earlier, if that happens there are only two possible explanations:

1. There's some form of modulation/distortion/compression/pitch shifting going on in at least one of the blocks involved.
Probably when you messed around with those you didn't consider or check properly that eventuality, in the analog world especially it could be difficult to track.

2. Auditory illusion

 

[FractalAudio]

1] note > EQ >
repeat1
repeat2
repeat3
repeat4

2] note >
repeat1 > EQ
repeat2 > EQ
repeat3 > EQ
repeat4 > EQ

From my experience [1] and [2] do not sound exactly the same.
YMMV.

Nope.
1] note > EQ >
repeat1
repeat2
repeat3
repeat4

2] note >
repeat1 >
repeat2 >
repeat3 >
repeat4 > EQ

Since linear systems are commutative EQ > Delay is the same as Delay > EQ.

Now, if the system isn't linear (i.e. there's some distortion) then the sound will change. Also if the system is time-variant the sound will change but most modulation is wide-sense-stationary enough to not create a noticeable change if the order is reversed.

The most likely explanation is stereo delay into a mono cabinet which will destroy the stereo image.

 

[Donnie B.]

OP, I apologize for the derail.
I'm out.

 

[DLC86]

From Cliff's quote it seems I missed a now disappeared post.

"2] note >
repeat1 > EQ
repeat2 > EQ
repeat3 > EQ
repeat4 > EQ"

@Donnie B. this happens when the eq is in the feedback loop of the delay (for example, in the axe fx, the eq section of the delay block, or its high and low cut filters), in that case you're right, every repeat gets filtered more and more.
If the eq is placed before or after the delay block (or pedal) that doesn't happen cuz it's not in the feedback loop.

 

[chris]

It absolutely affects the output, especially if your cab does low and high cuts.

I clarified this earlier.

if you are referring to an output not having the cab block, then yes THAT output will not have any sound modifications from the cab block. That may not matter because you might not want to send low and hi cuts to your real amp and cab output anyway.