Floyd Post Broke through Schecter! / NGD

I'm keeping this guitar.
Good! I skimmed the thread..., glad it worked out!

One of my Majestys' strings favor the treble side, and I initially didn't notice it (because I hardly played it, wanting to keep it 'mint'), and when I did, it was out of warranty. Called EBMM, and they said if they determined it was a factory defect, they'd replace the 'neck/body,' even out of warranty.

But a couple things kept me from ever sending it in, and your initial reaction to your new guitar reminded me of it:

I wouldn't get to choose the look of the flame top (mine is juuusst right), and the way the guitar is built, some models show a pronounced color difference where the woods are glued together, and they can take stain differently. Mine looks like the same piece of wood.

They told me that would just be a chance I'd have to take. I couldn't do it.

And now, it's my #1! Though the high e is a 'little' closer to the edge of the fretboard than it is on the low e side, it doesn't affect the playability for me.
Plus, ya never know what could happen during shipping, and a new one might have had some other issue that I wouldn't have liked.

We're picky, like you said, you 'run the racks' until you find one that speaks to you, and you may not even be able to discern exactly what it is that makes that guitar 'the one.'

It's great you've now bonded with this guitar, because at the beginning of the thread, I was thinking, "But what if they send him a new one, and it's not as nice in some other way?" ;)
 
Good! I skimmed the thread..., glad it worked out!

One of my Majestys' strings favor the treble side, and I initially didn't notice it (because I hardly played it, wanting to keep it 'mint'), and when I did, it was out of warranty. Called EBMM, and they said if they determined it was a factory defect, they'd replace the 'neck/body,' even out of warranty.

But a couple things kept me from ever sending it in, and your initial reaction to your new guitar reminded me of it:

I wouldn't get to choose the look of the flame top (mine is juuusst right), and the way the guitar is built, some models show a pronounced color difference where the woods are glued together, and they can take stain differently. Mine looks like the same piece of wood.

They told me that would just be a chance I'd have to take. I couldn't do it.

And now, it's my #1! Though the high e is a 'little' closer to the edge of the fretboard than it is on the low e side, it doesn't affect the playability for me.
Plus, ya never know what could happen during shipping, and a new one might have had some other issue that I wouldn't have liked.

We're picky, like you said, you 'run the racks' until you find one that speaks to you, and you may not even be able to discern exactly what it is that makes that guitar 'the one.'

It's great you've now bonded with this guitar, because at the beginning of the thread, I was thinking, "But what if they send him a new one, and it's not as nice in some other way?" ;)

Thanks Man! You know, sometimes you realize as you grow up that you're not only not as smart as you thought you are, but that you're a fucking idiot, and that's what I had to come to terms with. I'm going on and on about my feelings, my first impression, my love at first sight bond, when it was the tone all along. I hadn't bothered to set a proper tone for this guitar right away, like I normally do. I don't know why, but I just opened the Axe-FX III and fiddled around in a non-serious way, as if a random amp with random IRs was going to be magic with the guitar. With a real amp, it's not that involved, you just plug in and turn the knobs, but here the cab and the IRs are so pivotal.

When it comes to the wood grain and stuff like that, don't get me wrong, I love a beautiful guitar, like I'm dying over all of @Planta Fantasma's stuff, and if I ever have the money I'll go for a Black Devil guitar, but the tone is the thing. I just had to adjust my thinking and remember, if the way I test guitars is plugging into amps at a store, with the Axe-FX III I need to create the store. I need to have the cabs and mics set already, and really, I should just record any new guitar dry, set the fucker aside, dial in many different tones, then just play through them and ride the knobs. With that, I found the voice of the guitar and instantly I was hooked. On top of this, now that I know the fretwork is so wonderful, I lowered it to an insane action that makes a set of 10s feel like 8s, and my playing has already taken off. I'm so glad many people recommended I give it another chance.

I'm glad that the problem with your Majesty (it's sounds like I'm adressing you as Your Majesty, which is awesome) is minor enough to ignore. Very cool that the company is responsive to defects even long after the date of manufacture. The store where I bought my shipping box for the guitar said, in their experience all the guitar companies are good about honoring warranties. I wasn't so optimistic because of a problem I had with Gibson in the aughts, but I'm heartened by this experience and by hearing your story.

It's a tough thing when it comes to beautiful tops, because it's like you're shopping for furniture at the same time, and I feel like that's a trap. You can get pulled in by a beautiful guitar that doesn't do what you need, but if you can find the right one, Man, it's magic. Years ago, when I ended up buying my Trevor Rabin, I went to a store that had an insane collection of gorgeous PRS SEs that had translucent tops. I mean, to a tee, they were completely gorgeous. I picked up one after the other, spent hours there, and I couldn't find a single one that would stay in tune with both bending strings the normal way or using the tremolo. It was one or the other. The owner, who was the store's guitar tech, saw what I was doing and even got in on it with me to adjust guitars to try to get them to stay in tune, and it just wasn't happening. I mean, these things were so beautiful I just can't tell you. I don't even know what model they were. But anyway, I of course needed something I could trust, so I passed, and I was so happy to find the Trevor Rabin at anthor store later. Anyway, when you find a match of physical beauty, tone, and functionality, you've really got something special.
 
Years ago, when I ended up buying my Trevor Rabin, I went to a store that had an insane collection of gorgeous PRS SEs that had translucent tops. I mean, to a tee, they were completely gorgeous. I picked up one after the other, spent hours there, and I couldn't find a single one that would stay in tune with both bending strings the normal way or using the tremolo. It was one or the other. The owner, who was the store's guitar tech, saw what I was doing and even got in on it with me to adjust guitars to try to get them to stay in tune, and it just wasn't happening. I mean, these things were so beautiful I just can't tell you. I don't even know what model they were. But anyway, I of course needed something I could trust, so I passed, and I was so happy to find the Trevor Rabin at anthor store later.

My blue SE Standard 24 was their cheapest one at $499, and the SE 245 was not much more. Both came off the rack with tuning stability issues. $15 each to the store's guitar tech for some tidying up at the nut, and both are very stable now. Both nuts were too tall, and the slots a bit narrow....

Anyway, when you find a match of physical beauty, tone, and functionality, you've really got something special.

That'd be my Core Custom 24....
 
Ahem...pics please. There's never enough guitar porn.

Teh pr0n, p3r y0ur r3qu357:
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Slight tweak to the wiring - the #2 position is now outside coils split instead of neck inside coil + bridge HB. Totally transformed that switch spot from least used to most used. She is a little more violet IRL - the cameras all seem to lose some of the blue and turn the color more to mauve....
 
Teh pr0n, p3r y0ur r3qu357:
20240304_223954.jpg


Slight tweak to the wiring - the #2 position is now outside coils split instead of neck inside coil + bridge HB. Totally transformed that switch spot from least used to most used. She is a little more violet IRL - the cameras all seem to lose some of the blue and turn the color more to mauve....

That's a nice one.
 
Post lean and cracks are common when the wood is routed out too much in the design but that is unlikely to cause much of a problem. Run a bit of water thin super glue in the crack and all will be well.

You brought up and interesting point. I thought Floyd routes were universal, and that no guitar with a Floyd would have more wood routed out than another. Am I wrong? If not, what guitars have more wood around the posts?
 
You brought up and interesting point. I thought Floyd routes were universal, and that no guitar with a Floyd would have more wood routed out than another. Am I wrong? If not, what guitars have more wood around the posts?
Ibanez are good but they are also helped by the fact that the body bushing is a larger diameter which distributes the load over a larger area. Fender and Charvel/Jackson are generally good too.
 
Ibanez are good but they are also helped by the fact that the body bushing is a larger diameter which distributes the load over a larger area. Fender and Charvel/Jackson are generally good too.

It's there a difference in the route itself on Fender, Charvel, or Jackson? If the route is the same on those, what would make that area stronger on those guitars? Sorry, I'm not following.
 
Thanks Man! You know, sometimes you realize as you grow up that you're not only not as smart as you thought you are, but that you're a fucking idiot, and that's what I had to come to terms with. I'm going on and on about my feelings, my first impression, my love at first sight bond, when it was the tone all along. I hadn't bothered to set a proper tone for this guitar right away, like I normally do. I don't know why, but I just opened the Axe-FX III and fiddled around in a non-serious way, as if a random amp with random IRs was going to be magic with the guitar. With a real amp, it's not that involved, you just plug in and turn the knobs, but here the cab and the IRs are so pivotal.

When it comes to the wood grain and stuff like that, don't get me wrong, I love a beautiful guitar, like I'm dying over all of @Planta Fantasma's stuff, and if I ever have the money I'll go for a Black Devil guitar, but the tone is the thing. I just had to adjust my thinking and remember, if the way I test guitars is plugging into amps at a store, with the Axe-FX III I need to create the store. I need to have the cabs and mics set already, and really, I should just record any new guitar dry, set the fucker aside, dial in many different tones, then just play through them and ride the knobs. With that, I found the voice of the guitar and instantly I was hooked. On top of this, now that I know the fretwork is so wonderful, I lowered it to an insane action that makes a set of 10s feel like 8s, and my playing has already taken off. I'm so glad many people recommended I give it another chance.

I'm glad that the problem with your Majesty (it's sounds like I'm adressing you as Your Majesty, which is awesome) is minor enough to ignore. Very cool that the company is responsive to defects even long after the date of manufacture. The store where I bought my shipping box for the guitar said, in their experience all the guitar companies are good about honoring warranties. I wasn't so optimistic because of a problem I had with Gibson in the aughts, but I'm heartened by this experience and by hearing your story.

It's a tough thing when it comes to beautiful tops, because it's like you're shopping for furniture at the same time, and I feel like that's a trap. You can get pulled in by a beautiful guitar that doesn't do what you need, but if you can find the right one, Man, it's magic. Years ago, when I ended up buying my Trevor Rabin, I went to a store that had an insane collection of gorgeous PRS SEs that had translucent tops. I mean, to a tee, they were completely gorgeous. I picked up one after the other, spent hours there, and I couldn't find a single one that would stay in tune with both bending strings the normal way or using the tremolo. It was one or the other. The owner, who was the store's guitar tech, saw what I was doing and even got in on it with me to adjust guitars to try to get them to stay in tune, and it just wasn't happening. I mean, these things were so beautiful I just can't tell you. I don't even know what model they were. But anyway, I of course needed something I could trust, so I passed, and I was so happy to find the Trevor Rabin at anthor store later. Anyway, when you find a match of physical beauty, tone, and functionality, you've really got something special.
Agree with all of it!

And I'll be the first to admit, I go for looks first. But if it doesn't also sound great, then the look of the guitar is a non-issue.

And when I say "looks", I mean things like how the woods join together, or if the flame is too pronounced, or if there's a weird, off-color line of the grain running down the fingerboard. I don't go for excessive bling, but I do like a nice piece of wood.

Like my Taylor 714ce has this amazing wood grain, but it's very uniform. Things like that.

And tone that has rich harmonic content! Man that gets me every time!! Like the notes morph into harmonics, UNPLUGGED!

Did you say something about guitar porn?

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Depending on the placement of the bridge pickup, the depth of the route of it's inset, etc... They could be different.

Okay, so maybe the route is different if a guitar is routed for dive only instead of a full float? I'm not sure how the placement of the pickup factors in. I've got to look at Floyd routing templates to wrap my head around this.
 
Okay, so maybe the route is different if a guitar is routed for dive only instead of a full float? I'm not sure how the placement of the pickup factors in. I've got to look at Floyd routing templates to wrap my head around this.
Look at your second picture.

The amount of wood between the bridge rout and the pickup rout... That could be thicker or thinner depending on how close the pickup is to the bridge.
 
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Look at your second picture.

The amount of wood between the bridge rout and the pickup rout... That could be thicker or thinner depending on how close the pickup is to the bridge.

I just assumed that the amount of wood toward the bridge pickup wouldn't matter as much because the post broke through the other direction, toward the rout, where the bottom of the post kind of just shattered the wood.

Maybe it's the logic that if all the pressure in the direction of the bridge pickup were better supported by more wood, like the Adrian Smith Charvel, e.g., then it in fact creates a bulwark against a crack forming at the top of the post, toward the bridge pickup. If a crack starts at the top of the post, it then forces greater than normal pressure at the bottom of the post, functionally transforming the post into a lever that pivots like a pickup selector or mini switch, allowing it then to extend a crack that really started at the top until it hits the bottom and breaks through. I can see that being the case now. I so thought the crack must have started at the bottom, I didn't consider it the other way around. Thanks!

By way of comparison of bridge pickup placement, here's the Adrian Smith vs the Super Shredder:

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