Fender Tone Master Pro....

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They should license Fractal's models for some of the Fender amps and release them as Tone Masters. Partially because it would be funny. And probably better. (JMHO)
I doubt our algorithms would run on their hardware. ARMs aren't particularly good at DSP. They're getting better every generation but still nowhere near a dedicated DSP, especially the A53 which is used on the TMP (I believe).
 
More interested in how the FRFR sounds. Wish there was somewhere I could compare it and the Laney side by side. Fender is much cheaper so that's attractive...
 
Not bad on the I/O side of things.
I wonder whether they had outside help with this or whether it's a complete in-house development.

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Thanks to LinkedIn, I figured out that I sort of know the lead product manager for this thing. I was on a guitar forum with him starting probably 20 yrs ago. Just happens to be a really smart guy with an engineering degree who is also a pretty good guitar player. I’ve met him once a long time ago. Hell, he may have also owned a fractal unit and been on this forum at one time. I know he historically has used modelers dating back to the pod bean. So it would almost be like one of us designing something for us. That said that’s in no way comparing him to Cliff/Fractal.
 
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More interested in how the FRFR sounds. Wish there was somewhere I could compare it and the Laney side by side. Fender is much cheaper so that's attractive...
Yes, me too. I ended up originally ordering a birch Ply 1x12 cab from Stagecraft on the West Coast and put a Celestion f12-x200 in it. Sounds decent but weighs 42lbs and powered by a blackstar amped1 in the clean settings. Its also large for a 1x12 cab. Really would like to replace this and the Fender FRFRs look interesting.
 
I've been using the Headrush 108 for years, loved it but always felt it's lacked something, I'm now feeling very compelled to look into the Fender FR cab!

Anyone have a Headrush and thinking the same...? Can't wait to hear some thoughts about it, think I'd go for the smaller model myself.
 
I've been using the Headrush 108 for years, loved it but always felt it's lacked something, I'm now feeling very compelled to look into the Fender FR cab!

Anyone have a Headrush and thinking the same...? Can't wait to hear some thoughts about it, think I'd go for the smaller model myself.
I am in the exact same boat right now. Very seriously thinking about picking up the Fender.
 
Just got the FR-10 today. I mostly use a Power Amp/Guitar Cab live.
Any time I've used FRFR previously has basically just been a PA cab (CP8, EV 12ZX, etc.)
So this is the first dedicated FRFR I've purchased. Thinking if I like it, I'll get
another FR-10 and run them stereo. I've got a lot of regular 1x12 cabs, which
is part of the reason I chose the 10 over the 12. Plus, smaller & lighter.
Will probably use at gig on Sat.
 
Just got the FR-10 today. I mostly use a Power Amp/Guitar Cab live.
Any time I've used FRFR previously has basically just been a PA cab (CP8, EV 12ZX, etc.)
So this is the first dedicated FRFR I've purchased. Thinking if I like it, I'll get
another FR-10 and run them stereo. I've got a lot of regular 1x12 cabs, which
is part of the reason I chose the 10 over the 12. Plus, smaller & lighter.
Will probably use at gig on Sat.
Let us know how it worked out for you.
 
I just spent the last hour with my new Fender Tone Master Pro.
My initial thoughts:
Like all the other reviews...don't need a manual...it's very easy to use. The UI is definitely stupidly simple.
I went through the first 6-8 presets then trying out the plexi and 800 models. The plexi wasn't all that good but the 800 was better. For me, in the real world and Fractal world, my tone is the JMP-1 OD1 with a GB IR from York Audio.
Closest amp is the friedman hbe.
It didn't take me long to dial in a convincing tone.
The stock GB cab sounded nice. I actually liked it better than the Fractal Dyna cab GB cab.
I did however want to adjust the power tube bias and change some of the tube brands but.....can't do that!
I tried a plate reverb but it does not sound nearly as good as the London plate on the Fractal. Not horrible, just ok.
If I had never used a Fractal, I would say that it is pretty good sounding after just an hour of use. I have tried other modelers which I thought sounded much worse.

If I were Cliff Chase, I would make something like this just to satisfy those guys that are afraid of deep diving. Like a Fractal Lite non-pro version he could sell in stores and keep the pro stuff like it is.
 
If I were Cliff Chase, I would make something like this just to satisfy those guys that are afraid of deep diving. Like a Fractal Lite non-pro version he could sell in stores and keep the pro stuff like it is.
Or how about a toggle to turn off all the deep dive parameters from both the front panel and editor, leaving only the authentic ones? Out of sight, out of mind?
 
Would kind of agree but probably not going happen unless current sales drop off a 'Cliff' :rolleyes: . . . . . . . . . Ok kind of a stupid joke.

I'll take the other side of this. as a relatively new fm9t owner, i have no issue with the OPTION to dive deep into tweaking and what made me feel that way is how usable the default presets are. I dont find the Edit software difficult but there are a few quirks.

i would agree that the pedal interface is where improvements could be made/simplified.

i definitely wouldnt focus company resources on duplicating. perhaps it might be a worthy endeavor to create a fractal frfr but really i think it detracts from their core competency in the long run. kudos to fractal for staying on course, delivering amazing priducts and SUPPORTING THEM so well.

...now about adding a 2nd pitch block.....lol
 
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I'll take the other side of this. as a relatively new fm9t owner, i have no issue with the OPTION to dive deep into tweaking and what made me feel that way is how usable the default presets are. I dont find the Edit software difficult but there are a few quirks.

i would agree that the pedal interface is where improvements could be made/simplified.

i definitely wouldnt focus company resources on duplicating. perhaps it might be a worthy endeavor to create a fractal frfr but really i think it detracts from their core competency in the long run. kudos to fractal for staying on course, delivering amazing priducts and SUPPORTING THEM so well.

...now about adding a 2nd pitch block.....lol
I was able to get a hold of the FM9 turbo and previously owned an FM3. So I knew something about the UI beforehand but if I hadn't it might have taken me back a bit. The default presets would be a good starting point but there are sooooo many choices and decisions to make it kind of overwhelms the experience to some extent. It is a great unit but not sure it can move a lot more players into the Fractal world. Hopefully will keep selling well as support does rely on future sales. Producing an FRFR amp/cab would not seem to be in their wheelhouse as is for Fender.
 
I impulsively bought one while at GC. Tbh I only did it "for science." I was actually wearing a fractal shirt at the time and the sales guy was like, "yeah see what you think and bring it back if you don't like it." As almost an afterthought I also picked up the TM FR-12.

After just a few hours of testing my initial impressions are very positive. I think it sounds probably as good as the FM9. Of course I didn't try every model but the ones I tried were excellent. The only model I directly compared was a deluxe with a spring reverb (using the same 3rd party IR). That model sounded just as good between the two units. I'll compare a few high gain ones tomorrow but regardless, the high gain models do sound really good.

In his initial video, @2112 said it doesn't have a dual detune which is almost true. Instead you have to use a pair of chromatic pitch shifter blocks on parallel paths and set them to however many cents you want (I chose -11/+11). Worked fairly well, though I do wish I could put a bunch of stuff in parallel like you can with the Fractal grid (which is insanely powerful).

And then I put another chromatic pitch shifter block at the front for a virtual capo. That's nice as I can't do dual detune and VC on my FM9.

I was able to setup w/d/w by using an FX loop block after the cab sending to the FR-12, then sending output 1 with the wet effects to a couple of EVs. That worked out pretty well.

Overall I have to admit...the damn thing is pretty freaking great. The FM9 has some serious benefits like the grid, the number of amps* and effects, the amount of deep diving you can do, finer control of the cab block (Dynacab style), etc (I can list others). But the TMP also has some benefits such as the front panel UI and some effect flexibility (not necessarily limited by a set number of individual block types).

*The FM9 has way more amps obviously, but keep in mind the TMP amp models can be multiple models in one block. For example while Fractal has separate models for BE, HBE, HBE C45, etc., the TMP has a BE100 block with all the appropriate switches usable within the block. Fractal still has for more variety but it's worth mentioning.

Edit: almost forgot to mention it. The FR-12 is awesome. It feels more like a real guitar cab than the EV (which still sounds phenomenal--don't get me wrong) but it also has less features/inputs. I think I'll be keeping it even if the TMP goes back.
 
I impulsively bought one while at GC. Tbh I only did it "for science." I was actually wearing a fractal shirt at the time and the sales guy was like, "yeah see what you think and bring it back if you don't like it." As almost an afterthought I also picked up the TM FR-12.

After just a few hours of testing my initial impressions are very positive. I think it sounds probably as good as the FM9. Of course I didn't try every model but the ones I tried were excellent. The only model I directly compared was a deluxe with a spring reverb (using the same 3rd party IR). That model sounded just as good between the two units. I'll compare a few high gain ones tomorrow but regardless, the high gain models do sound really good.

In his initial video, @2112 said it doesn't have a dual detune which is almost true. Instead you have to use a pair of chromatic pitch shifter blocks on parallel paths and set them to however many cents you want (I chose -11/+11). Worked fairly well, though I do wish I could put a bunch of stuff in parallel like you can with the Fractal grid (which is insanely powerful).

And then I put another chromatic pitch shifter block at the front for a virtual capo. That's nice as I can't do dual detune and VC on my FM9.

I was able to setup w/d/w by using an FX loop block after the cab sending to the FR-12, then sending output 1 with the wet effects to a couple of EVs. That worked out pretty well.

Overall I have to admit...the damn thing is pretty freaking great. The FM9 has some serious benefits like the grid, the number of amps* and effects, the amount of deep diving you can do, finer control of the cab block (Dynacab style), etc (I can list others). But the TMP also has some benefits such as the front panel UI and some effect flexibility (not necessarily limited by a set number of individual block types).

*The FM9 has way more amps obviously, but keep in mind the TMP amp models can be multiple models in one block. For example while Fractal has separate models for BE, HBE, HBE C45, etc., the TMP has a BE100 block with all the appropriate switches usable within the block. Fractal still has for more variety but it's worth mentioning.

Edit: almost forgot to mention it. The FR-12 is awesome. It feels more like a real guitar cab than the EV (which still sounds phenomenal--don't get me wrong) but it also has less features/inputs. I think I'll be keeping it even if the TMP goes back.
I agree with this very similar feelings and got my on an impulse as well.
 
It sounds like from the reviews posted above that the TMP has moved the modeler world another step forward in certain ways. Maybe not radical ones but certainly the easier UI maybe closer to what newbies may seem to want. If it sounds "as good as the FM9" at least for some of the amps and IRs it maybe be a tougher purchase decision for modelers in a similar price range. I still have not seen any confirmed info on the total processing power of the TMP which might give a clue as to its future updates etc. If one wants tone capture and the like the decision probably goes to the Quad Cortex. Kind of odd that the TMP does not have that feature.
 
Or how about a toggle to turn off all the deep dive parameters from both the front panel and editor, leaving only the authentic ones? Out of sight, out of mind?
I said the same in the past, dynacab is a step in the right direction for sure. Have to imagine some really dumb rocker like Dave Grohl using a device and dumbing it right down.
John Nathan Cordy has been giving it a very thorough and critical go. I had to laugh when he mentioned that it had a whole day to bask in the sunlight of gapless switching.


cough cough retro updates for devices? :D
 
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