EV PXM 12MP Comparision Review with Pics

Sadly, there's a lot of unreliable junk gear out there -- some from China. But, then again, there are many with Chinese parts with good QC and are more reliable. I'd bet that almost everything with a chip has some Chinese parts in it ...
I mean the newer fractals are made in China,but they're not junk. Atomic is junk however due to the sub par components they use throughout the amp. That is why there are so many failures of their units, they bought the cheapest caps, resistors, diodes, ICs, PCB boards and transformers they could find. When attempting to repair my first dead one, I was appalled by the level of penny pinching cheapness used in it's construction. I'd expect it out of a cheap knock off, not a $1k piece of gear.
 
Sadly, there's a lot of unreliable junk gear out there -- some from China. But, then again, there are many with Chinese parts with good QC and are more reliable. I'd bet that almost everything with a chip has some Chinese parts in it ...
Considering they are the worlds manufacture you will be hard pressed to find anything that doesn't have Chinese made parts in it.
 
I mean the newer fractals are made in China,but they're not junk. Atomic is junk however due to the sub par components they use throughout the amp. That is why there are so many failures of their units, they bought the cheapest caps, resistors, diodes, ICs, PCB boards and transformers they could find. When attempting to repair my first dead one, I was appalled by the level of penny pinching cheapness used in it's construction. I'd expect it out of a cheap knock off, not a $1k piece of gear.
It's sad. I'd like to know how you know, but given the volume of CLR's that have died I'm not surprised
 
As an entrepreneur, I feel for Tom King. I don't know the decisions involved in the design and manufactur of the CLR but Tom enlisted Jay Mitchell. That should be a safe bet for an outstanding product. This is not indicative of a company looking to produce a low quality product. The CLR knocked it out of the park and received rave reviews. I'm sure ATOMIC were celebrating their success. My uninformed guess is that the factory in China made quality prototypes to get the gig then cut corners after. Now those compromises are causing the amps to fail turning a great success into a nightmare. I'll give Tom the benefit of the doubt that his intensions were legit and can sympathize with this situation. Having said that, I'm still very bummed about both of my two year old monitors being dead with a very uncertain date of repair.
 
As an entrepreneur, I feel for Tom King. I don't know the decisions involved in the design and manufactur of the CLR but Tom enlisted Jay Mitchell. That should be a safe bet for an outstanding product. This is not indicative of a company looking to produce a low quality product. The CLR knocked it out of the park and received rave reviews. I'm sure ATOMIC were celebrating their success. My uninformed guess is that the factory in China made quality prototypes to get the gig then cut corners after. Now those compromises are causing the amps to fail turning a great success into a nightmare. I'll give Tom the benefit of the doubt that his intensions were legit and can sympathize with this situation. Having said that, I'm still very bummed about both of my two year old monitors being dead with a very uncertain date of repair.
That might the case, but I'm not persuaded. If the factory in China cut corners resulting in a lesser product, then Atomic should have taken prompt action to remedy the situation. Atomic is the "last line of defense" so to speak and, in the end, IT is the party responsible for ensuring that the product is up to snuff.
 
Curious why the PXM 12MP, is it mainly the form factor/shape as they reference very similar to the CLR in the pics you posted. EV has some other frfr options. I do see the co-axil driver in the 12MP is1.75 vs most of the others zlx,elx,ekx..etc are mainly 1.25 I believe, the dispersion on the PXM is 90x90 vs other EVs mentioned is 90x60, some are even birch vs plywood shells. I have seen other post in this forum regarding the PXM, I'd like to know if it was mainly the form factor for you or the specs that was your main interest in this model.. EV makes outstanding products and support is really good. Had a couple EKX18sp subs that were hard to beat in a smallish pa.. Thanks for your review on both products , looking forward to more on the live/rehearsal findings. Cheers!
 
Curious why the PXM 12MP, is it mainly the form factor/shape as they reference very similar to the CLR in the pics you posted. EV has some other frfr options. I do see the co-axil driver in the 12MP is1.75 vs most of the others zlx,elx,ekx..etc are mainly 1.25 I believe, the dispersion on the PXM is 90x90 vs other EVs mentioned is 90x60, some are even birch vs plywood shells. I have seen other post in this forum regarding the PXM, I'd like to know if it was mainly the form factor for you or the specs that was your main interest in this model.. EV makes outstanding products and support is really good. Had a couple EKX18sp subs that were hard to beat in a smallish pa.. Thanks for your review on both products , looking forward to more on the live/rehearsal findings. Cheers!
My criteria was a powered 12" coaxial FRFR wedge that weighed less than 40lbs, costs less than $1k from a US company that had solid support. My choice to try the EV PXM was based on other player's good reports. No doubt there are other powered monitors that are equally as good at a similar price but I'm not aware of them.
 
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My criteria was a powered 12" FRFR wedge that weighed less than 40lbs, costs less than $1k from a US company that had solid support. My choice to try the EV PXM was based on other player's good reports. No doubt there are other powered monitors that are equally as good at a similar price but I'm not aware of them.
I'm not familiar with the EVs but I think your criteria makes perfect sense.
 
My criteria was a powered 12" FRFR wedge that weighed less than 40lbs, costs less than $1k from a US company that had solid support. My choice to try the EV PXM was based on other player's good reports. No doubt there are other powered monitors that are equally as good at a similar price but I'm not aware of them.
That's cool, thanks for the reply, I didnt know if you maybe preferred the monitor formfactor vs a 12" mains box traditional box shape. Or perhaps if it was the different size driver listed in the PXM. Other than that, the other EVs are very similar to the PXM. So not understanding why you wouldn't be aware? The PXM is not a dedicated guitar platform FRFR, thanks anyhooo
 
CONTEXT: I had a pair of FBT Verve 12ma's that served me well for years. Some didn't like them at all. I did. But I dropped one a couple of years ago which caused a nasty buzzing like speaker was blown. In looking to replace the speaker, I learned the speakers had been long discontinued. Finding a stray in some corner of the world would be extremely difficult. Luckily, an audio specialist friend of mine determined the magnet and voice coil were out of alignment causing it to rub. He loosend the screws and with a mallet realigned the magnet with the cone. It fixed the problem but if a speaker failed there would be no support from FBT. That kind of vulnerability is unacceptable to me. That's when I bought a pair of Atomic CLRs because they were held in high regard and ATOMIC is a US company.

The CLRs were very good but they weren't magic. The sky did not part and the angels did not sing with golden rays from heaven. They sounded different than the FBTs. Of course my presets sounded better on the FBTs because they were created on them. With a little tweaking they sounded great through the CLRs.

Guitar tones are way too subjective to be a good barometer for how true/flat a speaker is. I play MP3s through FRFR. It immediately reveals significant coloration. It's not scientific but it works for me.

Recently one of the amps in my CLRs died. This is happening for a lot of people. There are plenty of threads / comments of the same problem. I was very sad to learn that support from ATOMIC takes ages. Some have waited as long as a year. They make a great product but I can't sit around for a year. So I bought an EV PXM 12MP.

CLR vs EV:

The EV sounds different than the CLR. Surprise, surprise. Out of the box the EV is not as flat as the CLR. The EV has various settings and controls. It took a good while to find settings that were flat to my ears. It's a pain in the ass to keep lifting the EV on its side to tweak the parameters. Of course once it's all set, you never need to do it again. It just would have been nice if EV would have created a setting that was flat. It seems like the modes are emphasizing certain frequencies to sweeten. Nevertheless I have it at a point that sounds great. The CLR is a tough act to follow. It sounds fairly true to my ears. It doesn't have all the bells and whistles of the EV but that's okay. I actually prefer it being stupid simple. Nevertheless the EV has several significant advantages. It's at least 10 lbs lighter than my 1st gen CLR. I like the smaller footprint and lower profile of the EV. The CLR is a beast. You can buy the EV from a range of sources. I bought mine from Sweetwater. From what I've read, EVs support is solid. More advantages listed in the pros and cons below.

At the end of the day both sound good. No one in the audience will ever perceive the difference. None of the FRFR offerings will sound 100% like the PA. There will be a small amount of difference that will be at least the same or greater than these two monitors.

This is not a final conclusion. It's a first impression. Tonight I have rehearsal and a gig on Sunday. I'll report back my findings.

EV Pros:
Smaller
Lighter
Lower price
Front Pilot light
Support from a major US company
Readily available

EV Cons:
Requires tweaking
Controls/jacks on side

CLR Pros:
Balanced sound out of the box
Nice dispersion
Controls/jacks on back

CLR Con:
Unavailable
High price
Poweramp is an Achilles heel
Support is slower then a three-legged, asthmatic mule.
Big footprint

MY EV settings:

Mode - Monitor 2
Treble +5
Mid 0
Bass +4
Sub off
Feedback off

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Do you think the PXM would stand up in a band as my backline amp? I have become enamored with my FM3 through studio monitors and would really like to use it with the band. I would NOT be going through the board. I just need something loud enough to hang with the drummer...just your run of the mill "Dad Band" - classic rock, Motown, maybe a few things from this century.
 
Do you think the PXM would stand up in a band as my backline amp? I have become enamored with my FM3 through studio monitors and would really like to use it with the band. I would NOT be going through the board. I just need something loud enough to hang with the drummer...just your run of the mill "Dad Band" - classic rock, Motown, maybe a few things from this century.
I have one of those short Yorkville stands and with the monitor up about waist high it kills it!
 
That might the case, but I'm not persuaded. If the factory in China cut corners resulting in a lesser product, then Atomic should have taken prompt action to remedy the situation. Atomic is the "last line of defense" so to speak and, in the end, IT is the party responsible for ensuring that the product is up to snuff.
I've got two original CLRs and two of the newer MkII neo and just recently one of the mkII's is making a buzz like the metal grill is loose when I palm mute. There's no way I'm sending it back. I tightened every screw on it, top, bottom, sides, everything and still doing it. I sent one of my older ones in once and they couldn't find anything wrong with it but to be safe they replaced some stuff and charged me even though they didn't fix it. and it came back the same and took a long time to get back. I'm thinking these EV"s might be what I need to end this nonsense.
 
Do you think the PXM would stand up in a band as my backline amp? I have become enamored with my FM3 through studio monitors and would really like to use it with the band. I would NOT be going through the board. I just need something loud enough to hang with the drummer...just your run of the mill "Dad Band" - classic rock, Motown, maybe a few things from this century.
I use two of them and I’m very happy with their sound quality. I also like that I can stack them vertically if I want to conserve floor space, or separate them for more of a stereo spread. In their normal configuration behind me they’re very easy to hear and are plenty loud. And, you always have the option to send a feed to the FOH system if you need even more volume, either from the modeler, or the parallel output from the cabinets.

I added some furniture pads to the cabinets to help protect them from scrapes when I have them sitting on their alternate sides, drilling into the cabinet corners and using screws that wouldn’t completely penetrate the wood in case there was a circuit board on the other side.

Amazon product ASIN B082VM6V3D and Amazon product ASIN B07LD59C4F are proving to be very useful too.
 
Question for the owners of 'failed' CLR's...

Were you leaving them on for extended lengths of time?

I've got three CLR Neo's from 2013, 2014 and 2016 and notice mine get quite warm after playing for awhile so I generally shut them down when I take a break. Hoping mine continue to work as expected, but just wondering if over heating might be the issue. (I hope I didn't just jinx my CLR's.)
 
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Question for the owners of 'failed' CLR's...

Were you leaving them on for extended lengths of time?

I've got three CLR Neo's from 2013, 2014 and 2016 and notice mine get quite warm after playing for awhile so I generally shut them down when I take a break. Hoping my continue to work as expected, but just wondering if over heating might be the issue. (I hope I didn't just jinx my CLR's.)
I'm not sure what "extended" means. I kept mine on when I was using it; never overnight or something like that. After Atomic repaired it, which took them nearly 6 months, I sold it. Fortunately, there are plenty of buyers out there looking for used ones.
 
The failures aren't from leaving them on for extended times, but from using them period.
The capacitors, PCB boards, and basically every component inside the thing is the absolute cheapest you can buy. Chinesium junk. I still have two of the Atomic FR as well and they're also made with garbage. I just can't find anyone willing to buy them from me...
 
The failures aren't from leaving them on for extended times, but from using them period.
The capacitors, PCB boards, and basically every component inside the thing is the absolute cheapest you can buy. Chinesium junk. I still have two of the Atomic FR as well and they're also made with garbage. I just can't find anyone willing to buy them from me...
I’m not sure we wouldn’t say the same for almost any other piece of electronics out there. China is the source for many, many parts and assembly. For all I know, my PXMs originate in China, too.
 
CONTEXT: I had a pair of FBT Verve 12ma's that served me well for years. Some didn't like them at all. I did. But I dropped one a couple of years ago which caused a nasty buzzing like speaker was blown. In looking to replace the speaker, I learned the speakers had been long discontinued. Finding a stray in some corner of the world would be extremely difficult. Luckily, an audio specialist friend of mine determined the magnet and voice coil were out of alignment causing it to rub. He loosend the screws and with a mallet realigned the magnet with the cone. It fixed the problem but if a speaker failed there would be no support from FBT. That kind of vulnerability is unacceptable to me. That's when I bought a pair of Atomic CLRs because they were held in high regard and ATOMIC is a US company.

The CLRs were very good but they weren't magic. The sky did not part and the angels did not sing with golden rays from heaven. They sounded different than the FBTs. Of course my presets sounded better on the FBTs because they were created on them. With a little tweaking they sounded great through the CLRs.

Guitar tones are way too subjective to be a good barometer for how true/flat a speaker is. I play MP3s through FRFR. It immediately reveals significant coloration. It's not scientific but it works for me.

Recently one of the amps in my CLRs died. This is happening for a lot of people. There are plenty of threads / comments of the same problem. I was very sad to learn that support from ATOMIC takes ages. Some have waited as long as a year. They make a great product but I can't sit around for a year. So I bought an EV PXM 12MP.

CLR vs EV:

The EV sounds different than the CLR. Surprise, surprise. Out of the box the EV is not as flat as the CLR. The EV has various settings and controls. It took a good while to find settings that were flat to my ears. It's a pain in the ass to keep lifting the EV on its side to tweak the parameters. Of course once it's all set, you never need to do it again. It just would have been nice if EV would have created a setting that was flat. It seems like the modes are emphasizing certain frequencies to sweeten. Nevertheless I have it at a point that sounds great. The CLR is a tough act to follow. It sounds fairly true to my ears. It doesn't have all the bells and whistles of the EV but that's okay. I actually prefer it being stupid simple. Nevertheless the EV has several significant advantages. It's at least 10 lbs lighter than my 1st gen CLR. I like the smaller footprint and lower profile of the EV. The CLR is a beast. You can buy the EV from a range of sources. I bought mine from Sweetwater. From what I've read, EVs support is solid. More advantages listed in the pros and cons below.

At the end of the day both sound good. No one in the audience will ever perceive the difference. None of the FRFR offerings will sound 100% like the PA. There will be a small amount of difference that will be at least the same or greater than these two monitors.

This is not a final conclusion. It's a first impression. Tonight I have rehearsal and a gig on Sunday. I'll report back my findings.

EV Pros:
Smaller
Lighter
Lower price
Front Pilot light
Support from a major US company
Readily available

EV Cons:
Requires tweaking
Controls/jacks on side

CLR Pros:
Balanced sound out of the box
Nice dispersion
Controls/jacks on back

CLR Con:
Unavailable
High price
Poweramp is an Achilles heel
Support is slower then a three-legged, asthmatic mule.
Big footprint

MY EV settings:

Mode - Monitor 2
Treble +5
Mid 0
Bass +4
Sub off
Feedback off

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What settings did you have to adjust on the EV? What mode did you end up using?
 
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