Eruption Solo

Very nice indeed!
I'm waiting to hear your take on sharing patches.
Now matter how eloquently I tried to explain not sharing my work, i still got slammed in the past lol.

Rather than attempting eloquence, I’ll state this as directly as I can.

I earn the majority of my income playing music in a Las Vegas cover band. Bands in Vegas are typically not “bands” in the traditional sense. They are usually comprised of one member who has a contract with the employing casino and who picks and chooses the musicians that he/she will hire as sub-contractors. I am such a sub-contractor. The member who holds the contract with the venue is basically the “owner” of the band, and all other members are his/her employees. As owners, they more often than not will hire/fire members, sometimes routinely. Sometimes they find better players, sometimes it’s a personality conflict, and sometimes there is no apparent reason whatsoever. There is always a pool of musicians hungry to take the job.

The Las Vegas music scene was hit *hard* by the recession. Many established acts lost their gigs or had their pay cut. The pool of musicians looking for work is far greater than the number of well-paying gigs. I am fortunate enough to be in one of the best-paid cover bands in the city. I lost that position for over two years, and have recently regained it. I know the revolving door first hand.

Two aspects of my playing landed me the job in the first place. The first was my willingness to learn parts as closely to the record as I can (a time-consuming task). The second was my willingness to recreate the tones and effects of the original recordings as best I can (also a time-consuming task).

There are plenty of good guitarists in Vegas. I know a few with an Axe FX. I know many more will have one in the future. Perhaps I’m selfish, perhaps paranoid, but I see no advantage in providing these potential competitors with the presets I have worked many hours (hundreds total?) to create. In my opinion, it is an edge over the line of guys hoping to snag a gig. In this town and in this economy, any edge is advantageous. Any Vegas guitarist with an Axe has the tools to build tones that blow mine away, but only if they choose to put in the time and effort that I have.

My apologies to those who have PM’d me for presets and received no response. There is nothing magic about them, just a lot of tweaking (= time). Slam away.

Edit: We just lost one of our three gigs and had our pay cut on the other two. The same agent who gets you work at one venue will, without hesitation, do his best to have you replaced at another venue with a different band if he can get a buck out of it. Vegas is cutthroat. If my family wasn't here, I'd move.
 
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I think that was eloquent and direct. What ever you do please don't stop posting your clips. They are always great to listen to.
 
very well put!
And completely understandable....also interesting to hear of the going's on in the Vegas music scene - rock on!!
 
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Perhaps I’m selfish, perhaps paranoid, but I see no advantage in providing these potential competitors with the presets I have worked many hours (hundreds total?) to create. In my opinion, it is an edge over the line of guys hoping to snag a gig. In this town and in this economy, any edge is advantageous. Any Vegas guitarist with an Axe has the tools to build tones that blow mine away, but only if they choose to put in the time and effort that I have.
In my opinion, nobody is going to threaten your livelihood from a 35 year old guitar sound of someone else. Even if someone has "the sound" they would also need to play it exactly to have the same effect as you did.
 
shame about not releasing the patch. i dont see a threat if you posted it, id need to download your fingers too for that.
 
In my opinion, nobody is going to threaten your livelihood from a 35 year old guitar sound of someone else. Even if someone has "the sound" they would also need to play it exactly to have the same effect as you did.

shame about not releasing the patch. i dont see a threat if you posted it, id need to download your fingers too for that.

Guys, he just said there are plenty of other guitarists in Vegas with the requisite chops. No offense, but it doesn't seem you understood his position clearly.
 
shame about not releasing the patch. i dont see a threat if you posted it, id need to download your fingers too for that.
In my opinion, nobody is going to threaten your livelihood from a 35 year old guitar sound of someone else. Even if someone has "the sound" they would also need to play it exactly to have the same effect as you did.
Then why want the patch in the first place?? ;-)

I have no problems with it, esp. since Dweezils awesome sounding Eruption patch totally didn't translate to my setup.
 
Then why want the patch in the first place?? ;-)
I DON'T HAVE AN ULTRA...so I am unable to use the patch.
The patch is great and his playing is awesome!
but it is only good for playing eruption...or other phase 90 solos by VH.
 
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Obviously I could nail the playing too,
I believe you. Your technique is impressive. I could never play what you do. I am by no means a "shredder", can't sweep pick, and would never enter a notes-per-second contest. I pretty much limit what I play to my current ability, which hasn't seemed to improve over the last few years. Fortunately, I am most interested in the stuff I can play. One of my favorite guitar solos of all time is from Paul Mcartney's "My Love".
 
I completely understand, and respect your decision not to share patches, but as stated earlier, please continue to post sound clips. Your clips are proof (to me) that the Axe Fx can completely get the sound of some of the best recorded guitar tones ever. Do you have any more clips that you might want to share?
 
My understanding was that EVH used a Univox AC-80 tape echo for the effect. IIRC, the speed knob adjusts the speed of the motor, as opposed to a sliding head like an Echoplex.

I can get a better approximation with my Memory Man (or other such delay) placed before the Axe, but I wanted to use the Axe exclusively. Try as I might (filter blocks, drives, compressors, etc.) in the feedback loop, etc.), the character of the Axe echoes just isn't the same. The delays also degrade (in a bad way) during the process of modulation unless damping is set very high.

I also wanted to get closer to the sound of a script Phase 90. It's close as adjusted in the Ultra, but phase shifters are unique from model to model, much more so than flangers. Most people I know believe Alex Lifeson used a flanger in The Spirit of Radio. I am convinced it is a particular phase shifter.

Talk about a belated response, but I think you're one of the only people I've ever heard say Alex might have used a phaser on TSOR. I've never been able to get that sound with flanger, but with the last few firmware versions I've been pretty happy with the sound when using the script 90 (although I doubt I'm as close as you can probably get, based on on how well you did Eruption).
 
Talk about a belated response, but I think you're one of the only people I've ever heard say Alex might have used a phaser on TSOR. I've never been able to get that sound with flanger, but with the last few firmware versions I've been pretty happy with the sound when using the script 90 (although I doubt I'm as close as you can probably get, based on on how well you did Eruption).

For TSOR, my opinion comes only from personal experience with many flangers and phasers, and is contrary to most of what I have heard about what Lifeson used. Everyone I have ever discussed the topic with believes it is a flanger. The problem for me is, I have never been able to get a flanger to sound like that, no matter what flanger I try or how I adjust it.

I've gotten much closer with phaser tricks than any flanger. With the parameters set correctly, a phaser can sound a lot like a flanger, but also can have a 'growl' that a flanger doesn't. Until I know for certain otherwise, I will continue to believe that the intro to TSOR was recorded with a phaser. Some people say it was a Loft flanger, some say a Deluxe Electric Mistress. I haven't heard either unit make the type of sound present on TSOR. Perhaps he used a flanger in combination with another technique. I think this equally likely to the phaser theory.

To my ears, most flangers sound basically the same (it's just a time delay). Phasers, on the other hand, to me, all sound very different from one another. I'd like to try an old Maestro Phaser and see what results I can get. With my Ultra, I can get a better result with the phaser block than the flanger for that tone.
 
I honestly thought you ripped off the van halen track and posted it. Holy crap that was amazing.

I think the only part he forgot was to add in the "vinyl" block that automatically puts in the pops and clicks from playing a record.
I too thought it was a rip from the album, except my record player/stereo never sounded that good. Nor did my in-dash, auto-rewind, high-fidelity cassette player!
 
For the end delay part try using your multi delay you could kick that in at the end and it would just about perfect it. I had a great version on Youtube a few years ago I did with my Malmsteen strat but deleted it along with some other videos. This recording is one if the best I have heard I am a perfectionist also. Great work buddy its great the way it is but if you want to all you would have to do is import to a program like sonar and add the delay at the end and fix up anything else you wanted to.
 
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