Those exact 2 words are what comes to mind when I think of that guitar being a sig model. Watching further in that video, I probably should've put it in the PT thread and linked to it here, but oh well.
Yeah, but the things he says about both guitars seem to be pigeon-holing them. Like alluding that the PRS is somehow "metal", and the Tele is, like, 'twang.' Just look at the sounds John 5 gets from his Tele's!
Oh well let the shade fall where it may. I’m not saying every artist that came from the genre was worthless, but the depressive attitude it spread across the music creation world was crummy IMHO. Plus when I used the word “poser” I should have been a bit more specific and been more clear that I was referring to all the ones that came along purely as industry fabrications or intentional bandwagon sellouts. But really most humans are posing in some way or another. Have you ever noticed when fashions like that actually get widespread appeal the kernel of truth that was pure is already over. It was like that with the late 60’s and the hippie generation. The real movement started in the early 60’s and the event that was to signify its pinnacle was actually it’s death knell. Woodstock and later and for certain Altamont. Sex, Drugs and Rock & Roll didn’t work out so well. Well the sex and drugs. All the heroes were dying or killing themselves. Same with the second half of the 70’s punk scene. It was already over in England by the time it hit everywhere.Geesh, you are making my inner, grumpy, old man seem like a Pollyanna today.
That's a lot of shade being thrown in the direction of a genre of music that a lot
of people loved and were inspired by. To call an entire era of musicians "posers" is
more than a little heavy, don't ya think.?
My understanding is while everyone was selling in their vintage gear (Les Pauls, Strats,
Marshalls, and Mustangs) for guitars with Floyds and pointy headstocks those with
little cash were going to pawn shops and buying them up, because they were so cheap.
It was not a conscious choice, as much as a choice born out of necessity. And they also
wanted to create their own genuine movement and not repeat and follow trends already
in place. To me that is art at its purest. Posers are those who follow a trend, not those
who make new ones.
+1 Look at Leslie West and a one pickup giant single coil Les Paul Jr. heavy duty and a PA head!!
Love em or hate em, nickelback for a good 10+ years. Next. PI am more interested in what has actually happened, and what that says about guitars,
and why people choose what they actually choose. Real data.
If PRS is indeed all that, then why is it not prominently in the music released and created in the
past 30 to 35 years?
Again, I own 3 Core models, so I am not an hater, as much as someone who feels there is a big
discrepancy between what PRS is as a consumer good that has some cachet in the market, and
what PRS is as a creative tool for artists.
I agree that all the choices that we have now in every area can be very stifling and just plain overwhelming. So many directions a person can go at their finger tips. I was watching a Tim Pierce vid today on Leslie West and someone asked if he used any drive pedals when he found the Mississippi Queen sound. Tim got into how probably not because there just wasn’t that stuff around. All those guys were just using what was available. Which was rather limited, but worked.
Someone said nothing seriously noteworthy has been done on a PRS and Im willing to bet most people can hum a nickelback tune if not quote a lyric.Not helping the case for PRS. Not even a little. So Nickelback and Creed. Ouch!
Heck I started in the very late 70’s and my sound was a Big Muff Pi Rams Head into a Deluxe Memory Man and a Fender Band Master. When I listen to recordings, while some of it is a little noisy when everything was grooving it’s a sound that I’m not sure I could reproduce exactly now. Possibly because I couldn’t play that badly if I tried.
Oh and I forgot one thing. The point that they were buying instruments they could afford (for whatever reason…the point you made about people selling their stuff for super Strats is a good one) references the “lawyer, doctor, collector” stigma that is a knock on PRS that I think is bogus. I played for over 20 years until I worked and bettered myself to the point I could afford a PRS. But the whole time I couldn’t afford one I never once copped an attitude that they were bling and not worth my time or desire. I just would go into the one music store that had a CE and tell myself one day I will own a PRS. Didn’t even know that I was looking at a CE and not the “quintessential” PRS. Not knocking CE’s they are great.Geesh, you are making my inner, grumpy, old man seem like a Pollyanna today.
That's a lot of shade being thrown in the direction of a genre of music that a lot
of people loved and were inspired by. To call an entire era of musicians "posers" is
more than a little heavy, don't ya think.?
My understanding is while everyone was selling in their vintage gear (Les Pauls, Strats,
Marshalls, and Mustangs) for guitars with Floyds and pointy headstocks those with
little cash were going to pawn shops and buying them up, because they were so cheap.
It was not a conscious choice, as much as a choice born out of necessity. And they also
wanted to create their own genuine movement and not repeat and follow trends already
in place. To me that is art at its purest. Posers are those who follow a trend, not those
who make new ones.
I mean, I quoted the post when I said Nickelback lol.Pretty sure no one in this thread said "nothing" like that.
Yeah you’re right. I was trying to keep the discussion on point as best as possible, but got into the weeds a bit. I tend to do that sometimes. While I don’t feel I’m a “fanboy” in any way it is something I have a certain amount of passion. Mainly because when I was finally able to own a PRS (circa 2001) and was so happy to have it I all of a sudden and completely blindsided at the time started to read and hear all this animus towards the brand and owners and it was hard to not take it personally. It was very deflating to say the least. Here I thought everyone loved PRS and admittedly I was naive about the attitudes. So, I definitely appreciate a discussion that doesn’t get into the over the top mud slinging. I apologize if I got a bit passionate at times.Quality is definitely not a question or concern I would ever put forth. I was just wondering
why when I thought about how good PRS is it doesn't seem to match the creative output
maybe of other brands. Sorry to beat that same point to death again and again.
For me, starting this thread was never about questioning the value of PRS as a brand or
as individual instruments.
Heck, maybe in another 30 years this thread would seem silly, and a bunch of great music will
have been created by then with PRS at the forefront. I guess I just expected there to be more
than I was already aware of since 1985.
