Thanks Selta, you're a wealth of bass info. I'll give it a try. My problem really is I'm not trying to cop someone's tone specifically, to me it's an old school generic tone. There's just something in the feel and low end punch about those old tones. I just haven't had any success with the axe no matter what I do. Best results I've had were with the BDDI and active Ibanez basses with Bartolini pickups. (For some reason it wasn't as good on my Spector with the tone pump preamp). I tried quite a few really good sounding presets in general but I just can't get that feel. For guitars the feel is immediate. You can scroll though amp models and it's just there right away. I don't find that the case with the bass amps. I know everyone's ear is different, but I could just plug in the BDDI and there it was. (Before anyone chimes in and says just use the BDDI, I sold it). I also had one of those apps on the iPad, jamuppro I think and I bought the bass amps and they surprisingly were really good. Ampeg, GK etc. just select the amp and cab and it's there right away. I'm hoping that the bass offerings in the axe will eventually get there like the guitar amps. Then again, maybe it's just me and my limited tweaking skills. So it seems lately the B7K and the like are a better version of the BDDI, so I'm interested to see how it is