Tone_Freak
Inspired
your common sense, maybe. i'm not like you
Just telling you what would happen everywhere and always for every one - IF one would make an attempt at a similar preceding comment.
well that would be your choice. it's not my choice.
I still have no reason to accept the second helping hand comment considering your set-up context which gives on no reason to accept the idea that you want anyone to have those sounds. As you even reveal later down as I will show.
you're assuming i want other people to have the exact same sound as me.
So then you are clarifying you will NOT help them achieve those presets is that correct?
indeed it does, but then the receiver doesn't learn as much as attempting to create the patch for himself.
some recievers are not sound designers. Same reason people don't engineer the component and cap values of the internals of amps. but the amps in the axe-fx are already engineered for one to tweak. Just like the presets in my synthesizer I pay sound designers to engineer. Because me attempting that would be useless as music is my main field - not sound design. I also don't build pianos.
even if the receiver doesn't manage it, they will still have learned from the experience of trying. i'm happy to help by giving guidelines and advice on how to do this. using specific examples and references (like the soundclips) is a good way to focus in on specific types of fx.
but just not those exact presets. its ok. I understand. I only asked a price after that. But I guess they are not for sale.
i don't know what an "un-notable position" is, but as for far-fetched...if you think so, then that's your opinion.
My opinion is that way because one will not receive your help here to generate the exact same presets to get those sounds - as you have clarified. Perhaps you are providing some tutorials for similar effects. But not the patches shared. Thanks.
this is true, but you don't need to be a "sound designer" to create great sounds on the axe fx. just time, creativity and a bit of experience.
Tweaking existing amps and presets. is all some people have the time or will or knowledge for. some wish not to acquire any more knowledge for preset creation.
indeed they do, but what this really means is, "some people just want stuff for free without having to put in any effort". i don't have much respect for these people, i'm afraid.
Then i guess you have little respect for the amazing piano player who did not build the grand piano they are playing sounds on because they either received the piano for free as a sponsorship for thier talent - or bought it themselves. As I even asked for a price for your presets. The value is your choice, perhaps I would decide it is worth my money, or perhaps I would decide to rely on the engineers at eventide. Who knows what i would do upon finding out the price, if you even decide to set one - as you showed you will not set a price.
yes it is. and i would hope that people would understand the reasons i have for making that choice and respect them.
I certainly respect the choice to not share them. But I will not accept the claim that you'll help anyone achieve these presets themselves for reasons already stated by both you and I.
i'm not forcing you to beg. if you don't want to ask, then don't ask.
Begging the question is the act of entailing a conclusion in your premise. But if ones premise is one which entail one's conclusion, and one's premises are questionable, one is said to beg the question.
i choose not to share my patches, because
1) they are personal to me and part of my "art". i don't want loads of other people sounding like me. i know that might seem pretentious to you, but it's a fact.
Thank you for clarifying that you do not want to help anyone achieve these presets. That is all I was trying to challenge. And you have proven my challenge as valid.
2) i've spent 25 years learning how to program fx and i think that counts for something. why should someone else come along and just freeload off my experience? it would be like knocking on eric clapton's door and demanding free lessons.
And I respected that once I found out. I then asked for a price. Your refusal to sell them is also respected. But not the claim to be willing to help anyone here achieve those sounds in the presets. You have helped show you are not willing to have anyone engineer those sounds.
3) i could have not posted anything on the forum at all and frankly saved myself quite a bit of grief. but i believe in the product and i believed that the fx side of the axefx was under-represented, so i thought it might be worth trying to rectify that.
True - there is not enough creative FX programming in the Axe-FX. Thanks for proving things I was ridiculed for saying in other threads! Butl you have only rectified it for yourself, not for others. You cannot expect others to program presets who wish only to make music with them. Like Me i do not care for programming anything - (with the exception of creating a hybrid the tone off fear factory obsolete/demanufacture - that is all I cared to learn how to do and I did it and will offer the patch for 2 grand. If no one wants to pay, I could care less. but that's how much my effort is worth according to my price, and I asked the price of your presets too.
But as for effects presets, I have no interest whatsoever in programming multi-FX into the axe, but if someone wants to program something for me for either a price or freely shared, fine, but if not - I do not give a rats ass. I'll buy a 6 thousand dollar eventide.
And the eventide community members do not hate me for being honest - like all the very unhappy people in this forum do - in this case merely for a challenge to a fallacy, or also merely just because I ask others to program for me. (Dimebag did not handle the EQ- at his live events. He left it to the engineers and sound designers. And yes I do put myself on a similar level of channeled ability).
the clips on the fractal website have reached 10,000 plays on some of them and if cliff has managed to sell a few extra units because of them, then i'm very happy for him and i'm glad i spent a few hours recording the examples.
Good for those clips!
if you have a problem with this, then tough. please don't accuse me of being dishonest, or underhanded on a public forum, just because you don't seem to understand my motivations and you can't be bothered (or are unable) to put in some time and effort of you're own.
Nope, I have no problem. and I never accused you of any dishonesty or foul play as others have with their unvalid bashing. I have just decided to challenge what I spotted as a fallacy and wanted you to clarify what I originally thought was a mis-statement on your behalf on willing to help others achieve those presets. I am glad you have clarified that you will not share what it takes for anyone to have those presets. I also share the same belief for my Fear Factory hybrid Obsolete/Demanufacture tone.
ps - my patches aren't for sale.
Thanks for clarifying that too. I on the other hand have set a price for mine - $2000 for the Fear Factory two-album hybrid preset OR information about the preset.
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