Axe-Fx III Firmware 25.01 Release

[yyz67]

Not really, tho I was surprised it wasn't a vertical line (to within pixel res). Maybe TM needs a wee bit o the viagra to stand up straight.

 

[jayjay347912]

Does this mean now it goes to 11?

My FRFR and axe FX go ....to 11

 

[stephenclark1]

HELP - I'm late to the party on 25.1...I uploaded onto machine but really didn't get a chance to try it out. I did a re-model of my little office/studio and had everything apart, nothing was touched setting wise just unhooked cables and did some cable management.
Anyway, All my presets are set to be around 85dB but now I've had to increase Output Level anywhere from 5-10 dB on all my presets to get there. Was there a change in this Update or other explanation for this?
Also on Axe Edit when I go to certain presets (not all of them) the SAVE button is automatically lit up...reason for this? (I have updated the Edit and all the refresh stuff).

 

[∞Fractals]

HELP - I'm late to the party on 25.1...I uploaded onto machine but really didn't get a chance to try it out. I did a re-model of my little office/studio and had everything apart, nothing was touched setting wise just unhooked cables and did some cable management.
Anyway, All my presets are set to be around 85dB but now I've had to increase Output Level anywhere from 5-10 dB on all my presets to get there. Was there a change in this Update or other explanation for this?
Also on Axe Edit when I go to certain presets (not all of them) the SAVE button is automatically lit up...reason for this? (I have updated the Edit and all the refresh stuff).

Did you read the release notes?

 

[JoKeR III]

HELP - I'm late to the party on 25.1...I uploaded onto machine but really didn't get a chance to try it out. I did a re-model of my little office/studio and had everything apart, nothing was touched setting wise just unhooked cables and did some cable management.
Anyway, All my presets are set to be around 85dB but now I've had to increase Output Level anywhere from 5-10 dB on all my presets to get there. Was there a change in this Update or other explanation for this?
Also on Axe Edit when I go to certain presets (not all of them) the SAVE button is automatically lit up...reason for this? (I have updated the Edit and all the refresh stuff).

Did you read the release notes?

This warning was in the release notes for the first Beta version but for some reason is not in the Beta #2 or the official FW Release Notes:

"WARNING: THIS FIRMWARE REPRESENTS AN UPDATE TO THE CORE ALGORITHMS AND MAY CHANGE THE SOUND OF YOUR PRESETS. USE AT YOUR OWN RISK. IF YOU ARE NOT PREPARED FOR THIS POSSIBILITY THEN IT IS ADVISED TO NOT INSTALL THIS FIRMWARE. IF YOU DO INSTALL THIS FIRMWARE AND IT CHANGES THE SOUND OF YOUR PRESETS AND YOU COME INTO THIS THREAD AND COMPLAIN THAT YOUR PRESETS SOUND DIFFERENT BE PREPARED FOR SHAME AND RIDICULE."

https://forum.fractalaudio.com/thre...0-public-beta-cygnus-x-3.202659/#post-2534694

 

[Daveporter33765]

Sorry to have been a f__king bother....

If you completed a full backup before updating to the new firmware you should be able to revert back to the earlier firmware and return your Axe Fx unit back to its previous state.

 

[stephenclark1]

The question was about Output One LEVEL. The release notes talked about presets sounding different. I get that. I like that. BUT, and I'm no "Legend" but I've never taken Output level into account when making a preset. If the new Core Algorithms changed the Amp output levels or even re-calibrated Output Levels then that's all I was asking. YES, I read the release notes and it said "change the sound of your presets" didn't mention that you may have to increase output volumes to get the same levels from the same preset.
I asked because after I updated, I proceeded to take my whole system apart and re-did the room...I just thought I might've changed something somewhere to make all the preset(s) overall Output Level lower. I just didn't feel like reading through 6 pages of comments.

 

[Axelman8]

The question was about Output One LEVEL. The release notes talked about presets sounding different. I get that. I like that. BUT, and I'm no "Legend" but I've never taken Output level into account when making a preset. If the new Core Algorithms changed the Amp output levels or even re-calibrated Output Levels then that's all I was asking. YES, I read the release notes and it said "change the sound of your presets" didn't mention that you may have to increase output volumes to get the same levels from the same preset.
I asked because after I updated, I proceeded to take my whole system apart and re-did the room...I just thought I might've changed something somewhere to make all the preset(s) overall Output Level lower. I just didn't feel like reading through 6 pages of comments.

Still love you brother

 

[Moke]

The question was about Output One LEVEL. The release notes talked about presets sounding different. I get that. I like that. BUT, and I'm no "Legend" but I've never taken Output level into account when making a preset. If the new Core Algorithms changed the Amp output levels or even re-calibrated Output Levels then that's all I was asking. YES, I read the release notes and it said "change the sound of your presets" didn't mention that you may have to increase output volumes to get the same levels from the same preset.
I asked because after I updated, I proceeded to take my whole system apart and re-did the room...I just thought I might've changed something somewhere to make all the preset(s) overall Output Level lower. I just didn't feel like reading through 6 pages of comments.

The actual dB level in your room can be affected by many factors. The power amp, the speakers, listening position, the output knob setting, the output level setting (-10 dBV or +4 dBu), etc.. Are the internal preset levels much different than before?

Amp block output level differences are very common with amp modeling changes, especially a major update like going from Cygnus 2 to Cygnus 3. The amp block output can vary dramatically depending on the 'Gain' and Master Volume' settings and the circuit. So it's virtually impossible to have some kind of normalized output.

And technically, a change in volume does qualify as "Sounds different". "My presets sound quieter than before".. LOL

 

[rushfan]

The actual dB level in your room can be affected by many factors. The power amp, the speakers, listening position, the output knob setting, the output level setting (-10 dBV or +4 dBu), etc.. Are the internal preset levels much different than before?

Amp block output level differences are very common with amp modeling changes, especially a major update like going from Cygnus 2 to Cygnus 3. The amp block output can vary dramatically depending on the 'Gain' and Master Volume' settings and the circuit. So it's virtually impossible to have some kind of normalized output.

And technically, a change in volume does qualify as "Sounds different". "My presets sound quieter than before".. LOL

I leveled all of my with both the amp leveler, and using a DB meter at gig volume. Leveled them all up at about 87 db for rhythm, matching clean and dirty tones among 16 presets, and within presets. In fact, I hadn’t used a db meter before, and to my ears, they sound much more leveled that I ever had them before. I really didn’t make any other changes within the presets much. Are the Brit 800’s a bit dirtier, now, than before?

 

[rzjd]

I leveled all of my with both the amp leveler, and using a DB meter at gig volume. Leveled them all up at about 87 db for rhythm, matching clean and dirty tones among 16 presets, and within presets. In fact, I hadn’t used a db meter before, and to my ears, they sound much more leveled that I ever had them before. I really didn’t make any other changes within the presets much. Are the Brit 800’s a bit dirtier, now, than before?

the 2204 is definitely different. More low mid content. I used to use the Brit AX SIC but now I'm switching to something less aggressive.

 

[rushfan]

the 2204 is definitely different. More low mid content. I used to use the Brit AX SIC but now I'm switching to something less aggressive.

Is it dirtier than before, do you think?

 

[rzjd]

Is it dirtier than before, do you think?

I think so but I don't have 2 systems to A/B. I have one guitar that has a lot of pop playing a2 and Bflat2 (between 110-120Hz) On certain amps, I have to be mindful of the listed Low Resonant Frequency. The guitar handles the 5150 curve no problem but others closer to the range I mentioned can be an issue. I have more thump in that range with 25.01

 

[stephenclark1]

The actual dB level in your room can be affected by many factors. The power amp, the speakers, listening position, the output knob setting, the output level setting (-10 dBV or +4 dBu), etc.. Are the internal preset levels much different than before?

Amp block output level differences are very common with amp modeling changes, especially a major update like going from Cygnus 2 to Cygnus 3. The amp block output can vary dramatically depending on the 'Gain' and Master Volume' settings and the circuit. So it's virtually impossible to have some kind of normalized output.

And technically, a change in volume does qualify as "Sounds different". "My presets sound quieter than before".. LOL

Second paragraph...the answer I was looking for! Thanks! Most all of my presets you download are set at 0.0 on the Output Level, having your Out1 and four powered monitors all the way up can be jarring so on average most of mine sit around -15 to -20. Now they are at -10 to -15 which is fine. I downloaded a preset one time that had the Output at 20.0! That'll cause the dog to run out of the room!
As far as sound, I can tell more of a difference between Cygnus 2 and Cyg 3 than I did between 1 & 2. Technically my playing still sounds better the more you turn the Out1 to the left

 

[jayjay347912]

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Until you are PLAYING the guitar..EVERY day. And you amass a collection of 5 axes, that you rotate playing. Each guitar you play for 2 days. Then you move on to another. And you realize wow...they all DO sound different..and remarkable in their own way. And you progress as a player more from the age of 43-44...than you did in your teens..when your young ignorant self turned gain to 10 and scooped all mids!