Axe-Fx III Firmware 25.00 Public Beta #2 (Cygnus X-3 Release Candidate)

[State of Epicicity]

I dunno guys, a big part of me wants to hop into the parallel reality where Cliff never gave a hoot about accuracy and just went all out with "idealizing" every model. Just for a second, just to see how it feels

Just try his FAS models. We're already there!

 

[State of Epicicity]

I dunno guys, a big part of me wants to hop into the parallel reality where Cliff never gave a hoot about accuracy and just went all out with "idealizing" every model. Just for a second, just to see how it feels

In addition to the ones labelled FAS, don't forget about the others like the incredible Supertweed.

 

[IronSean]

the incredible Supertweed.

Man, comic books just keep getting weirder and weirder

 

[Saarang Narayan]

Just try his FAS models. We're already there!

I just want that FAS BE/HBE that @FractalAudio teased on TGF.

(FAS Stealth Blue fans you can’t even hold a candle to me )

 

[Anton Karelin]

I just want that FAS BE/HBE that @FractalAudio teased on TGF.

(FAS Stealth Blue fans you can’t even hold a candle to me )

+1

 

[State of Epicicity]

Man, comic books just keep getting weirder and weirder

I believe you're confusing that badass amp model with the comic book where the crotchety daytime professor takes on the criminal underworld at night, quipping obscure and dense literary references as he destroys henchmen and woos worldly dames.

 

[tripulante.db]

I don't like coming in here and sounding entitled, but... any chance we'll get the final release before the aliens abduct us later this afternoon?

kidding, don't kill me

I know that as soon as we have the final release, we will be asking when we will have the next beta with new improvements or surprises

 

[RifferMcDuck]

Just try his FAS models. We're already there!

Disagree! I'm very familiar with the FAS models, and having a handful of idealized amp models is not the same as the entirety of the unit's modeling algorithms

 

[Dave Merrill]

I dunno guys, a big part of me wants to hop into the parallel reality where Cliff never gave a hoot about accuracy and just went all out with "idealizing" every model. Just for a second, just to see how it feels

Some of my favorite Helix models were idealized fantasy amps from their designer.

 

[tripulante.db]

I give my humble opinion on the matter, where I also agree 100% with Cliff that what we think is not relevant to setting the course for improvements when these are subjective.

The thing is, precisely what each person understands as "IDEAL" is totally subjective. Even more so when we are talking about tastes about sounds and how they affect different musical genres. On the other hand, there is no subjectivity in moving towards greater modeling fidelity.

Additionally, engaging in the "Idealization" of all amplifier models would only lead to them all sounding similar, to the detriment of the diversity of tones provided by the different characteristics and circuits that each of the real equipment has.

We can measure the precision of the modeling compared to the real thing (or at least there are tools to do so). We will never be able to measure the approach to the ideal when there are different ideals for each person in the world.

 

[My name is mud]

Here how it ends when you have changed the gate in 230 presets today , with the Marshall jubilee

 

[lscottk]

I give my humble opinion on the matter, where I also agree 100% with Cliff that what we think is not relevant to setting the course for improvements when these are subjective.

The thing is, precisely what each person understands as "IDEAL" is totally subjective. Even more so when we are talking about tastes about sounds and how they affect different musical genres. On the other hand, there is no subjectivity in moving towards greater modeling fidelity.

Additionally, engaging in the "Idealization" of all amplifier models would only lead to them all sounding similar, to the detriment of the diversity of tones provided by the different characteristics and circuits that each of the real equipment has.

We can measure the precision of the modeling compared to the real thing (or at least there are tools to do so). We will never be able to measure the approach to the ideal when there are different ideals for each person in the world.

+1 - I couldn't agree more.

 

[rzjd]

Here how it ends when you have changed the gate in 230 presets today , with the Marshall jubilee

sounds muddy. Just joking. Great playing as always.

 

[tripulante.db]

Here how it ends when you have changed the gate in 230 presets today , with the Marshall jubilee

Oh my God. Impressive performance!!!
I loved moments like minute 0:21 masturbatory movements and the one at minute 1:36 with the strange and original hair technique plus the genius of minute 4:00 or the "lubricated" slide of the W40 at minute 5... I guess This is what we talk about when we talk about how inspiring this firmware is

 

[yyz67]

The thing is, precisely what each person understands as "IDEAL" is totally subjective.

We will never be able to measure the approach to the ideal when there are different ideals for each person in the world.

Totally agree. What is IDEAL (or idealized) in tube amp modeling, and who decides?

'Idealized' electronic components and values? 'Ideal' tubes (real tubes or some theoretical ideal?)? 'Idealized' overall amp circuit design (for X model)? 'Idealized' tone stack/preamp/PA/PS/... design? 'Ideal' speaker-cab interaction? 'Ideal' breakup / harmonic distortion (w or w/o ghost notes?)? 'Ideal' kerang/juiciness/bounce/feel...? ....

Mostly we're chasing fantasies or cherry-picking particular aspects we particularly like (or want more of). One person's ideal is another's "eww, really?".

 

[My name is mud]

Because yes. I realize a little bit late that the « improved gate » make my old gate setting eat the tone a little bit. So check your gate guys

 

[Stratoblaster]

With preamp based hi gain amps you want to keep the power section as clean as possible and not be pushing it into saturation
Certain tubes like KT88 6L6 will generally have a bit more headroom that’s why many builders choose these ,but something like an EL34 can be come saturated and start to break up and Color the sound pretty easily , and then you can get that loose blurry bottom end response or Flub
Since we are in the virtual realm it much easier to push the power section

Agree with your comments. Experimenting with different tubes is always worth the small effort it takes to swap them out in the AFX and see their effect.

Just yesterday afternoon I was looking for "something" in my lead tone and I spent a few minutes swapping out the preamp and power amp tubes for the "Friedman HBE v2" amp on my FM9.

I ended up swapping out the default preamps and poweramp tubes. I can't remember off the top of my head which preamp tube I settled on but found that the tubes with "Preamp Tube Hardness" values >8 worked for me; better clarity, etc.

For the power tubes I changed out the default "EL34" variant for the "6V6GT GE", and the KT66/88 variants were all a close second; for a lead tone I definetely liked the "EL34/84" tubes considerably less.

Combined, both of these swaps have helped indeed; my lead tone is fatter in the mids, less strident with a nicer high end, and has a bit more clarity/forwardness overall. The low end also seems to be more "controlled"....less flub and the looseness is reduced I'm finding.

 

[tripulante.db]

Because yes. I realize a little bit late that the « improved gate » make my old gate setting eat the tone a little bit. So check your gate guys

This information is very interesting!!
Any key tips on which parameter you recommend adjusting and in what range of values to recommend for those of us who have not dabbled or do not know much about the best way to operate this block, beyond the basic guide that the manual gives us?

 

[My name is mud]

This information is very interesting!!
Any key tips on which parameter you recommend adjusting and in what range of values to recommend for those of us who have not dabbled or do not know much about the best way to operate this block, beyond the basic guide that the manual gives us?

If you don’t want to bored yourself too much, use the easy mode, and turn the first knob until you have no noise and it is done .

 

[Budda]

I am hoping the analog delays will be revisited at some point with the new measurements I have yet to find a digital emulation that can do a proper Deluxe Memory Man. I still use a DMM 1100 tap tempo in my loop because it adds some sort of thickening and analog warmth that the digital models don't, and I have tried quite a few digital emulations of it with different pedals and modelers. Maybe it is all in my head but man does it seem to improve my tone when I turn it on even with the mix turned low.

This to me reads like you need to play with the eq’s in the delay blocks. Reduce max high frequency and there’s the warmth, generally speaking.

I used high and low cuts on verb and delay in my fx8 which our produced noticed at a show, and he was pretty impressed. Gotta know where to look!