There were no changes to the modeling algorithms between beta 4 and beta 7,maybe some bug in latest beta ? seems like something is affecting more models in same manner - more fuzz, less tightness (herbert/vh4/traxis).
There were no changes to the modeling algorithms between beta 4 and beta 7,maybe some bug in latest beta ? seems like something is affecting more models in same manner - more fuzz, less tightness (herbert/vh4/traxis).
This isn't like the Diezel silver 3 and Herb 3 from the relevant previous firmwares, but "Das metal" is an amp sim that is a bit a of custom Cliff version of a diezel. Or his best attempt at replicating an amp without having it there, if I remember correctly.I‘m not into Diezels, I could never bond with them when I played the real amps but maybe Cliff would like to do a FAS Version.
that’s das metall.This isn't like the Diezel silver 3 and Herb 3 from the relevant previous firmwares, but "Dizzy" is an amp sim that is a bit a of custom Cliff version of a diezel. Or his best attempt at replicating an amp without having it there, if I remember correctly.
Sorry, remembered wrong. Thanks for correction. I'll correct the original text to avoid misunderstandings.that’s das metall.
I don't know. Use whatever version of firmware makes you happiest.maybe something in fw 21.00 before b4/b7.
OK, thanks, I think the numbers are the other way around, IMHO.I don't know. Use whatever version of firmware makes you happiest.
I can't spend all my time chasing individual reports of one model sounding off to one person while 99% think it sounds fine.
I'm looking at the Diezel models. I'm positive the Triaxis models sound correct because I use them all the time and they sound great to me.
good points - thinking more about what you wrote wrt variations in amp instances and varying guitars being challenging in terms of identify issues in a beta: maybe not practical to do, but would be interesting if Fractal were to create a library of reference tones for amp models including reference tones, preset, and associated DIs for common guitars used with each model. Would be a lot of work, but, once in place, these could be used as the testing tones that users would utilize in reporting issues ("hello! - after applying beta, my unit sounds way off from the reference sound when using reference preset and DI"). This library would also make it clear what Fractal's instance of any given amp sounds like at stock settings. Might help streamline tone issues reporting.I think it’s totally reasonable to question if the reference amp is in need of service. There’s nothing to say an amp tech can’t make a mistake, a single component can’t get worn out or fail in a non obvious way, or that this particular amp was made with a bad part in the first place and missed QC; there are many possibilities. And if a particular Diezel is not an amp Cliff bonds with, he might not realize there’s a problem.
If so many people wrote that the real thing is different than the model, and Cliff writes that the model is dead on, it’s totally reasonable to assume everyone has a different point of reference. And maybe it is the difference between the versions of the real world amp, as some have guessed.
I also think another problem is a lack of recordings en mass demonstrating what people are perceiving; although some have had the chance to post this type of recording, more of them would help immensely. Not everyone has the time to do this, but for those who do, it would be invaluable to record the real amp back to back with the model, with the sound dialed in by ear to be as close as possible with BMT/Presence, and Depth, into the same IR. Perhaps that would make plain to Cliff that there is a definite discrepancy, that even if the model perfectly mimics the source amp, maybe that source amp is the real problem.
And of course, it could just be an error with the model. Perceiving a model to be dead on is based on context. Maybe for the owners of the real deal not only to provide audio examples of the discrepancy would help, but also to upload the dry input recording of the guitar signal, so that Cliff could run those into his real amp and see if, in the context of those guitars, it just sounds broken. From my experience, every guitar and every player is going to exploit a different set of sounds from the same amp; the source is everything, and maybe there are contexts that demonstrate problems where particular scientific measurements do not.
This is a beta, so the whole point is find problems. We ought all encourage that rather than blindly rallying behind the flag just because we love Fractal. When we all try to figure out where there’s a potential issue, everyone using this unit benefits. There’s no need for the act of posting that a problem exists to be controversial.
It’s not a bad idea, but resources… cost/value benefit.good points - thinking more about what you wrote wrt variations in amp instances and varying guitars being challenging in terms of identify issues in a beta: maybe not practical to do, but would be interesting if Fractal were to create a library of reference tones for amp models including reference tones, preset, and associated DIs for common guitars used with each model. Would be a lot of work, but, once in place, these could be used as the testing tones that users would utilize in reporting issues ("hello! - after applying beta, my unit sounds way off from the reference sound when using reference preset and DI"). This library would also make it clear what Fractal's instance of any given amp sounds like at stock settings. Might help streamline tone issues reporting.
ya - it could be something that forum folks could contribute to I guess, with some framework for submission and some volunteer time to organize the library...A tone library is a cool idea! Could probably do something like that on the wiki
Maybe FM3 guys are saying it’s was not there in 5.03 so maybe it’s prior B4 as wellmaybe something in fw 21.00 before b4/b7.
One should never forget that there's a heavy selection bias of posts towards problems (perceived or real) over non-problems. Even if you only count the beta firmware threads, the number of people posting "everything's awesome" still far exceeds the number of people posting about possible issues.OK, thanks, I think the numbers are the other way around, IMHO.
Maybe FM3 guys are saying it’s was not there in 5.03 so maybe it’s prior B4 as well
Thanks man, you're truly a hero. Even if you find nothing needs to be changed, I appreciate you taking the time.I don't know. Use whatever version of firmware makes you happiest.
I can't spend all my time chasing individual reports of one model sounding off to one person while 99% think it sounds fine.
I'm looking at the Diezel models. I'm positive the Triaxis models sound correct because I use them all the time and they sound great to me.
doesn’t matter, 99% are happy, so be it.
Thanks Cliff.I'm looking at the Diezel models.
He was talking about other random one offs I thinkdoesn’t matter, 99% are happy, so be it.
Slapped something together quickly with Herbie 2+. Octave Distortion up front for the widdly bits.
this is not how real amp’s gain structure is, not at all. diezels are not fuzz generators.
real sound is like this :
