An improved Sequencer, please

[VegaBaby]

After some talks with a fellow Axe user, I spent some more time with the Sequencer, compared it to some clips of the Boss Slicer and the Adrenalinn. Now I'm aware that these are different beasts in their own right, but still, most of it could be done with the Axe if there were some improvements...

1) More steps. At least 32 for Ultra and maybe 16 for Standard

2) A length parameter would be great to adjust how long each slice is. This could be for each slice or for the whole sequence if that's too cpu hungry. Maybe in %. So if you have 16 steps on, setting length to 50% would give the length of 32ths. In a way a bit like a duty parameter.

3) Trigger start. Now this could be useful for any modifier. Two simple additions. Trigger on/off and a Threshold for the input. A simple Gate in a way. I know this has been discussed before and I know something like this can be done by coupling a few modifiers, but I think the procedure could just be simplified. Some tasks don't need to end in huge braintasks :lol: .

4) the best of course would be to have 2 independent Sequencers so that you could attach each with different settings to different parameters.


Anyone who likes slicing...please chime in, add your ideas. There could be so much more done with it than right now and maybe some of the ideas are not that hard to implement...

 

[chase]

2) A length parameter would be great to adjust how long each slice is. This could be for each slice or for the whole sequence if that's too cpu hungry. Maybe in %. So if you have 16 steps on, setting length to 50% would give the length of 32ths. In a way a bit like a duty parameter.

Yep, also sometimes called a gate time parameter, with 100% working the way it currently does. This is a good idea (if technically feasible), since it saves you from having to create staccato rhythms by inserting a zero every other step, effectively halving the length of the sequence.

4) the best of course would be to have 2 independent Sequencers so that you could attach each with different settings to different parameters.

Yeah, two could be useful, even if they had to share steps between them (ie, you could split 16 steps into a 4-step sequence and 12-step sequence, apologies to Friends of Bill).

Another idea: a step ramp value - set positive it would decay the step value back to zero, set negative it would fade the step up to the step value. Probably CPU intensive, since it would change the step value on every cycle instead of every step interval. You could probably get this effect by synching an LFO to tempo and routing the sequencer (also synched) to LFO depth, but that could get fiddly depending on what you were trying to do.

 

[VegaBaby]

2) A length parameter would be great to adjust how long each slice is. This could be for each slice or for the whole sequence if that's too cpu hungry. Maybe in %. So if you have 16 steps on, setting length to 50% would give the length of 32ths. In a way a bit like a duty parameter.

Yes, Chase, the idea is if you want a tremolo-like staccato and have a 16 step sequencer, you can pretty much only use 8 steps of it. If you have two steps in a row you get one long one. That's the reason why I also asked for 32 steps. This way you could use 16 steps in a whole bar. Without the length parameter you still could not do cool rhythms though...

I hope I don't come across unappreciative asking for these improvements, but right now it's possible to get more and better effects than when using an Eventide and a TC together, but you can't do what a simple Adrenalinn pedal can do eventhough the right approach is there already...

 

[VegaBaby]

Another idea: a step ramp value - set positive it would decay the step value back to zero, set negative it would fade the step up to the step value. Probably CPU intensive, since it would change the step value on every cycle instead of every step interval.

+1

That's on the Boss Slicer as well. They call it Attack, I think.

 

[chase]

I've considered getting an Adrenalinn, although getting the Axe made most of what it does redundant. But I really like the rhythmic tremolo/arpeggiator style effects the Adrenalinn is good at, so I'm in favor of adding more of those capabilities to the Axe. Anyone more familiar with the Adrenalinn and what it can do that the Axe can't, please speak up!

 

[chase]

You could probably get this effect by synching an LFO to tempo and routing the sequencer (also synched) to LFO depth, but that could get fiddly depending on what you were trying to do.

Actually, on reconsideration you could get this effect at its extremes (maximum decay or maximum ramp) by modulating a sawtooth LFO with a sequencer, but not the in-between values I'm imagining, which would look like sawtooth waves with the peaks flattened:

The Boss Slicer looks interesting. I can't tell what the Attack parameter does if you turn it past noon - add a peak?

 

[VegaBaby]

The Boss Slicer looks interesting. I can't tell what the Attack parameter does if you turn it past noon - add a peak?

I think it does what you've got in the graphic there. Lower settings fade the slices in, high settings fade the slices out.

 

[stevieray]

After some work with the sequencer VegaBaby has convinced me. We definitely need an upgraded sequencer controller. 32 steps line the Adrenalinn, and a duty cycle! Where do we vote for this feature?

 

[VegaBaby]

For those of you who don't know the Slicer or Adrenallinn, here are a few cool samples:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dFMjVKFQrKE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jofUcY_fzMI
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WUKVmvy_Uzk

A lot of the stuff is already possible. All the Filter, Flanger, Wah etc. sequence stuff works great already, but, the chopping is the problem which really needs more steps to work 'properly' and the other features I mentioned above. Also a 'trigger start' function would be cool to actually start the sequences in time, but I'll start a different topic for that soon...

 

[javajunkie]

For those of you who don't know the Slicer or Adrenallinn, here are a few cool samples:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dFMjVKFQrKE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jofUcY_fzMI
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WUKVmvy_Uzk

A lot of the stuff is already possible. All the Filter, Flanger, Wah etc. sequence stuff works great already, but, the chopping is the problem which really needs more steps to work 'properly' and the other features I mentioned above. Also a 'trigger start' function would be cool to actually start the sequences in time, but I'll start a different topic for that soon...

Yeah, I have my Adrenalinn III in my switchblade loop. It is just so much easier to work with for the sequence stuff.

 

[Sebastian]

+1 for advanced sequencer stuff!

I'm very interested in such things.

 

[stevieray]

Are the pattern sequences in the Adrenalinn programmable?

 

[javajunkie]

Are the pattern sequences in the Adrenalinn programmable?

Yes, and with the 3rd party editor it is really easy.

 

[OverAmp]

Wow awesome stuff! Would love to see this in the Axe!

 

[voes]

For those of you who don't know the Slicer or Adrenallinn, here are a few cool samples:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dFMjVKFQrKE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jofUcY_fzMI
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WUKVmvy_Uzk

A lot of the stuff is already possible. All the Filter, Flanger, Wah etc. sequence stuff works great already, but, the chopping is the problem which really needs more steps to work 'properly' and the other features I mentioned above. Also a 'trigger start' function would be cool to actually start the sequences in time, but I'll start a different topic for that soon...

now that I hear what it can do I want it too

 

[stevieray]

Momentum is building....

I wonder if there's room for more controller steps and another controller in the code?

 

[VegaBaby]

The funny thing is, that it can almost do all the stuff already when it comes to the filter things etc. It's just that 'at the last minute' you get some huge showstoppers which at least to me almost kill all the fun to work with it. Shame really....

 

[OverAmp]

Just wanted to bump this because I got to mess around with an Adrenalinn the other day...wow!

Would be cool to see some more of this type of functionality.

 

[Mark]

Just wanted to bump this because I got to mess around with an Adrenalinn the other day...wow!

Would be cool to see some more of this type of functionality.

I agree. I have an AdrenaLinn III in addition to the Ultra and for some types of effects, it's just much more fun and easy to work with. I would love to see the Ultra improved along this dimension!

 

[Matman]

So where's the poll?