I understand that it can't be perfect with no gaps at all. My AXEIII gaps are so small that it is really a non issue. I was expecting a similar gap when changing amp channels. I was prepared for a longer gap when changing presets, but not scenes/amp channels.the FM3 is on Version 1.xx, as alluded to. though we don't know if the Axe3 faster changes can be added to the FM3 in the same capacity, it's been stated that it hasn't made its way over yet.
most other gear that i've used - and i've used a lot, being the ordering manager for a large local music store - i've had to press any switches slightly before the downbeat as well. my peers in local music here do as well with all their gear. i think it's a lot to ask for analog or digital systems to change sounds seamlessly, instantly, smoothly, etc.
yes, in some music styles and situations with a single guitar, it is crucial to change sounds that quickly. the way the pros do it is have 2 amps or more so only audio path is changing, not channels or anything else. one amp for clean, another for dirty, maybe another for lead. even in "signature amps" with several channels, that pro is usually using multiple amps as i just described for the fastest changing, cleanest audio.
in the Axe world, that would be the equivalent of 2 Axe units, or a preset with 2 Amp blocks or other blocks that need seamless switching, and Scene changes so audio is just muting and unmuting, no channels or other settings actually changing. it's a reality of audio processing. of course the FM3 doesn't have 2 amp blocks, and i'm not at all suggesting using 2 FM3 units. but seamless instant audio is very difficult for a lot of gear to handle.
i guess i tend to change Scenes/Presets around an 1/8 note early (depending on tempo). then it's ready to go for the downbeat. if i need seamless gain change from clean to dirty, i'll usually use the same amp channel, use Scene Controllers to change the Input Drive and other parameters, and/or unmute a Drive block if i need high gain - like the Ruckus or something.
chances are, the audio gap will be reduced, as it has on all previous FAS gear.
The amp is the same on both channels.Can you make sure the cab is the same channel for both blocks?
The amp switching gap on the FM3 seems pretty good to me, at least on the latest firmware. It doesn't seem too far off from the Axe 3 which was a significant improvement over the old AX8.
That is helpful. I did that already, and I found that if I got the preset down to an amp, cab, and one fx block, the gap got down to an acceptable level, but a preset with that few blocks would be useless to me.Not sure if helpful, but when I am debugging issues I like to start simple. So I tore your preset down to just the amp, cab, and some verb.
Switching is pretty quick here. Maybe work from something like this and add back blocks and routing until the prob gets very noticeable?
I hope that is not the case! I think that if it gets faster and become a slight "glitch" rather that a "gap" it will be ok.Really? I upgraded from Ultra to FXII just to have scenes... And I'm still having a switching gap in the III.
IMHO, seamless AMP changes is the kind of functionality we cannot expect in the FM3. I am for myself debating over staying with AxeFXII or going for FM3 as a backup exactly for this.
The amp is the same on both channels.
The cab is the same. The gap is the same when I am changing scenes via midi, and when I am just changing amp channels only using the FM3 panel.what about the cab?
In the recorded example above, I am not even changing scenes, I am just changing amp channels.I have the same issue with scene changes on my FM3, and it's frustrating. Coming from a Helix with instant snapshot changes, including amp switching, this is very disappointing. I did find that the biggest cause of switching latency was when a scene changes the amp channel AND a reverb or delay channel at the same time. As long as a delay or reverb block wasn't changing channels at the same time, it was acceptable. I really hope they fix it because not being able to change tones instantly while playing live is a deal breaker for me. Sounds amazing as a studio tool, though.
I have to disagree with you. I do not think it is too much to ask for a digital device to change sounds cleanly.most other gear that i've used - and i've used a lot, being the ordering manager for a large local music store - i've had to press any switches slightly before the downbeat as well. my peers in local music here do as well with all their gear. i think it's a lot to ask for analog or digital systems to change sounds seamlessly, instantly, smoothly, etc.
In the recorded example above, I am not even changing scenes, I am just changing amp channels.
Changing from clean amp to dirty using scenes.
Seems quick to me...... Strange that you would have that much of a gap between the same amp. As mentioned above the amps being used are a Brit brown and CA3+ clean. Ironically, I got so used to the gap using the AX8 that the speed of the FM3 is kinda screwing with me now. I know.... First World Problems.....
As I said in my original post, the lag happens for me when I switch amp channels and delay or reverb channels at the same time. Some scene changes for me are quick like in your video, others aren't.Yes, if Fractal could add more speed..... Sure, faster is always better but that is more than enough for me and certainly does not create any issues for me playing live.