eloygperez
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I've used 5150's for YEARS and I never thought it was a "problem" to create great tones to be honest. I don't think it has been either in the thousands of albums in which it has been used.
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I think the hotter bias mod was made famous by Bob at Eurotubes but most of the metal guys are probably had it cold a lot of the modern high gainers they bias cold
I think higher gain tones generally sound better with a cooler bias, and obviously 5150’s have a ton of gain. but 5150’s just particularly have their distinctive and recognisable tone with that really really cold bias. IMO it’s just part of the sound we recognise.
Then learn how the real amps work. I always thought of Fractal as the most authentic in the modeling space.
Thanks for the kind words about my IRs.First…. You make excellent IR’s that I use in most of my presets. Respect.
But, besides the tapers on the Fractal compared to the actual amp… is the amp sim ‘not’ authentic to the actual amp being modeled?
Plus, there’s drift and sometimes different pots (and whatever else) manufactures use in the same model amp.
ex: Cliff models his great JCM 800… but, so and so also has a 800, same year and everything, no mods… and plays the same guitar (pickups included) yet, when matching settings… they sound different.
Then there’s the mighty cabinet that enters the equation, and if it’s a recorded sound .. mic, mic placement, engineering, post processing … blah blah blah lol
Sorry for playing Captain Obvious… you already know all this sh!t
Also, many of us have never played the real amp before (could be for various reasons) but now we have the option to try / use them… get a sound we like that works for us.
I like Mesa Mark series amp tones, but never owned one. I was a Marshall guy for years. So to me, coming from where I was they’re counter intuitive and annoying to dial in.., so you look into it, and if you land on ‘it’ and get that ‘proper’ sound… it’s a great amp.
Certainly nobody here has actually played all the amps modeled in the Fractal.
While I understand the want for the ‘authentic’ idea, isn’t ‘ideal’ used throughout the rest of the controls in the Fractal… effects included?
I mentioned it here earlier, but I’ll say it again in different words…
Electric guitarists, more than any other instrument, listen to much with their eyes IMO. Option paralysis doesn’t help. Yet we play the most expressive and versatile instrument in the world.
It's true that two identical amps will probably sound a little different due to component drift, but they should be in the same ballpark when set similarly. My '77 50w JMP sounds nearly identical to the Brit 800 2204 model with the knobs in the same place; and only needs minor tweaks to get them indistinguishable. The same can be said for my Soldano. Mirror the real amp settings on the Fractal and you're 90-95% there on a lot of models.
Yep I agree the coveted Block Letter that many regard as the best of Peaveys 5150 some of thier signature tone came from the cold bias
Actually my referece to Mark GEQ above was the opposite - Its the one taper I think really needs to be authentic given its visilbility / popularity - the rest can be ideal for me since I've not owned any physical tube amps represented in Axfx (so I don't know the authentic tapers anyway).
Rev. D of the schematic which was Jan. 15 2013 specs 30mA per tube. This was changed to 27.5 mA per tube somewhere between then and Dec. 11 2015. There apparently haven't been any changes to that spec since. So in the past 10 years every amp shipped has been at least 27.5 mA.
Hi sprint, I actually hadn't read your post when I was referencing other users, however upon reading it, I do you think you raise some good points. It was actually just about my perceived ethos of Fractal when it comes to modeling. When I was talking about the Mark GEQ, I was just stating that they are idealized. Perhaps I could've written more clearly. Anyhow, I do agree, really interesting stuff.
