Input gate tames a little high end?

Random Hero said:
So Intelligent mode has a high end roll off? When it's open? I was using that so maybe I just switch to Classic?
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No, only when the gate is closed. There's also a soft knee as you approach within a few dB of the threshold level where the effect transitions more gradually. There's no change to the signal when the gate is fully open.
 
I am not sure what the input gate does, but it definitely still affects the "feel" when used in Classic mode. I turn it off when I can, especially for cleans and mid gain, but for super high gain stuff I sometimes have to turn it on.
 
The gate should only noticeably affect the signal when the level is below the threshold (or very close to it). If you hear or feel a difference while actively playing, your threshold is likely set too high. Set the threshold so the gate only closes when you stop playing. The gain reduction meter in the Input block shows how much the signal is being reduced. Ideally, that meter should not move while you are actively playing notes, but rather only rise when you stop playing and your signal level drop below the threshold. You have to find the balance point where your sustained notes ring out and fade away long enough without the gate cutting them short.
 
mr_fender said:
The gate should only noticeably affect the signal when the level is below the threshold (or very close to it). If you hear or feel a difference while actively playing, your threshold is likely set too high. Set the threshold so the gate only closes when you stop playing. The gain reduction meter in the Input block shows how much the signal is being reduced. Ideally, that meter should not move while you are actively playing notes, but rather only rise when you stop playing and your signal level drop below the threshold. You have to find the balance point where your sustained notes ring out and fade away long enough without the gate cutting them short.
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Thanks for the input! I will continue to mess with it, it is a nice feature if you can make it work for you.

But I still think there is a difference between having it off and having it at something ridiculously low, like -80dB. I understand that on paper or some test "shows" there is no difference, but I still can feel it.

Don't hate me yall, I'm a fractal fan boi as much as the rest of you. This is just my experience.
 
A reamping null test will show you exactly what the gate is or isn't doing to your signal.

Record a DI via USB Input 5 or 6 of you playing normally. Reamp that into a preset that is just IN 1 to Out 1 with the Out block level reduced 20 dB. With the first reamp, turn the noise gate off (threshold all the way down). With the second reamp, set the noise gate like you normally would in a preset. Zoom way in on the two waveforms and make sure the two tracks are prefectly time aligned and then flip the phase on one of them and play them both back. You'll only hear the difference between the two tracks.
 
mr_fender said:
A reamping null test will show you exactly what the gate is or isn't doing to your signal.

Record a DI via USB Input 5 or 6 of you playing normally. Reamp that into a preset that is just IN 1 to Out 1 with the Out block level reduced 20 dB. With the first reamp, turn the noise gate off (threshold all the way down). With the second reamp, set the noise gate like you normally would in a preset. Zoom way in on the two waveforms and make sure the two tracks are prefectly time aligned and then flip the phase on one of them and play them both back. You'll only hear the difference between the two tracks.
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I saw in another thread your test of delays with the different gate settings. Do you think that influences "feel"? Subjective I know.

~5ms may not be immediately noticeable, but combining that with other delays I feel like it can add up. I feel like the "immediacy," or attack, of what you are playing is an integral part of "feel"
 
That difference is only on the first note from silence that opens the gate. If set correctly, the gate should stay open or at least mostly open while you are actively playing.
 
I would imagine that all noise gates will have a bit of delay upon opening, the circuit is going to need time to react to signal.

It would be interesting to see how something like the Decimator compares. I find that to be a very transparent and immediate gate.

I only use the intelligent gate on my high gain rhythms with the threshold set to just squash the amp hiss when not playing, keeps my rig dead silent between songs.
 
blandified said:
But I still think there is a difference between having it off and having it at something ridiculously low, like -80dB.
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Can you actually turn the gate in the input block off? I didn't see how, other than lowering the threshold to -80db. If that's the case, how are you doing that comparison?
 
chiming in here for a second...
@mr_fender do you use mainly the gate on input 1 or do you also use a separate gate in the signal chain, for example after the amp, and then set it to sidechain from input 1? For me, I see the advantage in also getting the amp sim dead silent.
 
Random Hero said:
Anybody else notice this? If I set it to 0 it feels a little more open?
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Yep… just tried this. It’s a small thing, but in a way it makes a notable difference that’s a bonus on some of my medium gain Mark IIc scenes. Adding Amp|Dynamics|Gain of 2.0 adds to the nice touch. Thanks!!
 
Alexis said:
chiming in here for a second...
@mr_fender do you use mainly the gate on input 1 or do you also use a separate gate in the signal chain, for example after the amp, and then set it to sidechain from input 1? For me, I see the advantage in also getting the amp sim dead silent.
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This is the way
The difference between using gate between amp and cab and literally any settings in Input block is uuuuuuuuuge
Gate should really be a part of Amp block sidechained to Input as it makes all the difference in a world
Those few samples or milliseconds seem to be the key
If we can't have a true "analog" gate in the input, moving gate post-amp changes the feel and sound to what you would expect without any fight with settings
 
Chromatizm said:
This is the way
The difference between using gate between amp and cab and literally any settings in Input block is uuuuuuuuuge
Gate should really be a part of Amp block sidechained to Input as it makes all the difference in a world
Those few samples or milliseconds seem to be the key
If we can't have a true "analog" gate in the input, moving gate post-amp changes the feel and sound to what you would expect without any fight with settings
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What is a true "analog" gate. The gate in the Input block is virtual analog (like most things in our products).
 
Chromatizm said:
This is the way
The difference between using gate between amp and cab and literally any settings in Input block is uuuuuuuuuge
Gate should really be a part of Amp block sidechained to Input as it makes all the difference in a world
Those few samples or milliseconds seem to be the key
If we can't have a true "analog" gate in the input, moving gate post-amp changes the feel and sound to what you would expect without any fight with settings
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Depends on the source of the noise. If most of your noise is coming from your guitar, then it makes much more sense to control that noise before it gets drastically boosted by the amp.
 
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