Hoping to get amp/cab captures in Fractal gear in the future, does that appeal to anyone?

[Will Chen]

DynaCabs simply offer a wider variety of tones that I typically don't like. For me, great-sounding IRs are rare. Without Smoothing (as with the FM9), they are virtually non-existent. I think having to choose captures as well would be the end of me.

DynaCabs just work if you've miced amps before and the visual interface somewhat mimics the real experience. I start at a similar place I did way back and can have a good sound extremely quickly.

 

[sarge]

I get tired of sifting through captures quickly. I bought one of the latest capture devices and spent a couple days playing with it. It just gets so tiresome trying to find the proverbial needle in a haystack. Every now and then you find a gem but the other 99% is garbage. Scrolling through 68 different captures of "Attic Find w/ Radio Shack Speaker" is drudgery.

And the gains are all over the map. I downloaded something that was supposedly "Crunch" and it had more gain than a 5150 on 10 boosted with a Beelzebub Mark III Throat Ripper. It seems like there's no consistency in gain normalization and, in general, the captures have way more gain than expected.

For me I only want the capture ability to capture my own amps.

I concur, I have really never found sifting through captures somebody else made worth while, regardless of whether it was the original company, the latest, or the ones in between.

 

[normanaj]

I recently bought a ToneX one and after twenty minutes was repacking it to send it back. Awful to me ears. I wanted as a back up for my Fm9…. Nope!

You probably made the same mistake most people make. You didn't set the input gain correctly and/or you judged it solely by trying a few factory presets which i admit aren't that great, or you simply don't like the sound of real amps.

 

[normanaj]

I get tired of sifting through captures quickly. I bought one of the latest capture devices and spent a couple days playing with it. It just gets so tiresome trying to find the proverbial needle in a haystack. Every now and then you find a gem but the other 99% is garbage. Scrolling through 68 different captures of "Attic Find w/ Radio Shack Speaker" is drudgery.

And the gains are all over the map. I downloaded something that was supposedly "Crunch" and it had more gain than a 5150 on 10 boosted with a Beelzebub Mark III Throat Ripper. It seems like there's no consistency in gain normalization and, in general, the captures have way more gain than expected.

Absolutely, it does take a bit of work to find good captures but once you do you are set. I found my clean, crunch, high tones for the music I play and the way i would set these amps if i owned them so will sit on these for everything i play. With that said, I view the profiles as a compliment to the Fractal products. Fractal is obviously way more versatile and flexible.

I should note, I'm an bedroom/experimental player. I find it fun and educational finding ToneX tones I really like then trying to create them on my AxeFx .

 

[skolacki]

DynaCabs simply offer a wider variety of tones that I typically don't like. For me, great-sounding IRs are rare. Without Smoothing (as with the FM9), they are virtually non-existent. I think having to choose captures as well would be the end of me.

They’re not for everybody. I tried them many times and didn’t like them at all. Too bright, thin sounding. I bought a full pack to use with Cablab and that wasn’t any better. Then I had a coworker come by to screw around with guitars and I plugged him into my FM3. I showed him the Dynacab interface and dialed in a cab as he was playing his guitar and it sounded really good. So I dug in and found something I liked. And now that’s all I use. Dynacabs are just a collection of single mic IR’s with a better selection process. No different from other people’s IR’s as far as I know. More accurate positioning and more shots per speaker. That gives you a lot of control and I really like that. With a regular IR it is what it is, you can use cuts and preamp eq, room etc but the IR is fixed. With Dynacabs you can tailor the IR’s to the amp plus the other options. Not trying to sell you I’m just enthusiastic about it. Unlike the capture thing. I don’t give a 2 sh!ts about captures.

 

[momogris]

You probably made the same mistake most people make. You didn't set the input gain correctly and/or you judged it solely by trying a few factory presets which i admit aren't that great, or you simply don't like the sound of real amps.

I took care of the input gain, it might be the factory presets. I compared the amps I like in Fractal to the same ones in Tone X, and I didn’t like them. About the sound of real amps, is it not what Fractal is all about? I love them and I felt nothing about the ones in Tone X. Perhaps is the feeling, don’t know. Anyway, I just don’t need it. Cheers!!!!

 

[normanaj]

About the sound of real amps, is it not what Fractal is all about?

Agreed, that was a dumb thing for me to say.

 

[sprint]

Dynacabs are just a collection of single mic IR’s with a better selection process. No different from other people’s IR’s as far as I know

A significant difference to regular 3rd pty IRs is the auto-sic selection which chooses a correct accurate sic curve for the Dynacab used. This puts DCs above regular 3rd pty IRs imo as 3rd pty IR makers don't/can't provide this. My only complaint about DCs is that not enough CabLab4 packs are being released, particularly from 3rd pty IR makers who can rent the autocapturing robot (I think we've had 1, maybe 2 of those - disappointing)

 

[Admin M@]

My only complaint about DCs is that not enough CabLab4 packs are being released, particularly from 3rd pty IR makers who can rent the autocapturing robot (I think we've had 1, maybe 2 of those - disappointing)

We've got some new packs in the pipeline and may have another producer coming online next year.

 

[Dave Merrill]

We've got some new packs in the pipeline and may have another producer coming online next year.

Any chance of squeezing minimal-ish versions of some of those into the hardware, specifically the OG Axe 3?

(Not a big fan of the CabLab workflow, though i understand why it's the way it is.)

 

[momogris]

Agreed, that was a dumb thing for me to say.

Hahaha, I didn’t no take in a bad way! Best regards from Spain and Merry Christmas!!!!!!!!!

 

[steadystate]

DynaCabs just work if you've miced amps before and the visual interface somewhat mimics the real experience. I start at a similar place I did way back and can have a good sound extremely quickly.

I've miced many a cab. I even built an ENOURMOUS isolation box in my garage. Like you, my experience with Dynacabs is remarkably similar to my experience back then. That's the problem.

"Just work" means different things to different people. My experience with IRs, Dynacab or not, is and has always been the same needle in a haystack that Cliff describes with respect to captures.

While dialing Dynacabs is closer to the real world approach of the Amp modeling, it doesn't make finding a great-sounding IR any easier for me. I can scroll through the list of fixed IRs as fast as I can move the virtual mic around. I love Dynacabs, but they have the same issues with regard to excessive comb filtering as any "static" IR. The III provides a fantastic tool to overcome this. The FM9 does not.

I have zero interest in scrolling through lists of captures, although I don't want to rain on anyone's parade.

 

[Will Chen]

I've miced many a cab. I even built an ENOURMOUS isolation box in my garage. Like you, my experience with Dynacabs is remarkably similar to my experience back then. That's the problem.

"Just work" means different things to different people. My experience with IRs, Dynacab or not, is and has always been the same needle in a haystack that Cliff describes with respect to captures.

While dialing Dynacabs is closer to the real world approach of the Amp modeling, it doesn't make finding a great-sounding IR any easier for me. I can scroll through the list of fixed IRs as fast as I can move the virtual mic around. I love Dynacabs, but they have the same issues with regard to excessive comb filtering as any "static" IR. The III provides a fantastic tool to overcome this. The FM9 does not.

I have zero interest in scrolling through lists of captures, although I don't want to rain on anyone's parade.

My experience is the polar opposite from you. I find DynaCabs more or less infinitely quicker than auditioning IRs which was basically never ending. But I guess everyone has their own workflow and process.

I agree on captures though, especially as an owner way back of a Kemper, near zero interest. But I 100% understand including them as a marketable feature in an extremely competitive market.