Hoping to get amp/cab captures in Fractal gear in the future, does that appeal to anyone?

deathbyguitar said:
It just dawned on me...for the people making a deal about this...How is NAM all that different than Tone Matching which we've had since the Axe-FX II. I don't think it really is. Instead of having Tone Matching on a next-gen unit...we'd just have NAM instead. Same difference.
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Tone matching is just an eq/ir. It’s not nearly as complex as running inference even, let alone training models. Even if an existing open source project is used as a basis, you still need to port it, test, maintain, store and run the code on the device.
 
DLC86 said:
Without going too far with my imagination, I can certainly see some useful stuff embedded in the NAM block, like being able to use one of the tonestacks we already have in the amp block, with the possibility of placing it pre or post profile. That alone would probably make profiles much more amp-like to operate and most competitors simply won't have that option.
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I would be really surprised if that was even a useful function... But I could be wrong.
 
deathbyguitar said:
It just dawned on me...for the people making a deal about this...How is NAM all that different than Tone Matching which we've had since the Axe-FX II. I don't think it really is. Instead of having Tone Matching on a next-gen unit...we'd just have NAM instead. Same difference.
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Not even close...
 
DLC86 said:
Without going too far with my imagination, I can certainly see some useful stuff embedded in the NAM block, like being able to use one of the tonestacks we already have in the amp block, with the possibility of placing it pre or post profile. That alone would probably make profiles much more amp-like to operate and most competitors simply won't have that option.
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I think what you describe is sort of the basis of Kemper's "liquid profiling" process. At the time, I read that they might infringe on one of Fractal's patents despite them saying they had a patent on it. I'm not sure how or if that shook out.

I really expected that to work well (based on just a little bit of amp design insight) but was disappointed that a profile of a Friedman BE (for example) with the liquid profile for a BE behaved nothing like a real BE. I shot profiles of my own BE-style amps so I had control of the process and while the profiles sounded as good as they ever do, the controls still didn't work like the real amp.

Nevertheless, this might be a preview of a NAM player block in a Fractal product- your choice of one of the EQ (or maybe tonestack) types before or after the capture player, perhaps with the clean drive-pedal boost and input filter functions from the current amp block.
 
mr_fender said:
Only if it's placed in the same location in the gain structure. NAM profiles don't have that kind of control. It's kind of all or nothing there.
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Yep, that's why I wrote "surely not the same". But some amps have the tonestack pre-distortion and some post, so in those cases the result shouldn't be too far from the real amp I guess.
 
DLC86 said:
Without going too far with my imagination, I can certainly see some useful stuff embedded in the NAM block, like being able to use one of the tonestacks we already have in the amp block, with the possibility of placing it pre or post profile. That alone would probably make profiles much more amp-like to operate and most competitors simply won't have that option.
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Agree! It’s a great tool and, design-wise, makes sense to the system as it’s working analogous to the graphic eq in drive block.

The fact it’s not 100% accurate to the amp circuit design is not a demerit at all. We’ll still have the amp block for the accuracy.
 
Bobbyoso said:
"More features" and "simpler ui" are almost always antithetical. More parameters to set, harder to find any given feature, more to go wrong. I would consciously avoid a Fractal product with onboard profiling, just like I'd avoid a car that doubles as a boat. Jack of all trades...
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So if they added profiling you wouldn’t buy the product?
Especially if that amp isn’t modelled yet someone can now profile it and share…… Wild.

And I highly disagree about more features making things harder to use. QC is proof of that in my hands at least. Dynacabs even use a similar mic/ir setup now.

I’ve been around long enough to remember the hate on profiling and then when tone match/amp matching came out the same people cheering on.
 
FractalAudio said:
There are no plans to offer this in the current generation products.

Next-generation products will support NAM.
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This was really the only thing that people could complain that Fractal didn't have.

I haven't read through all the replies so this may have been said, but I 100% believe this is simply a big "here is your profile/capture/model feature, now let me get back to doing real work".

Great business decision IMO
 
Will Chen said:
Are you serious? You're selling presets. The people who are willing to buy those will be more than willing to buy NAM profiles.
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Yeah man, there’s so much to explore. Plus NAM profiles takes time to make it right. Maybe I’ll try but for the time being you can get those NAM tones out of the FM9 if not better. That’s my opinion.
 
Juca Nery said:
Yeah man, there’s so much to explore. Plus NAM profiles takes time to make it right. Maybe I’ll try but for the time being you can get those NAM tones out of the FM9 if not better. That’s my opinion.
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It's not going to be mutually exclusive. The type of player that would support your business would support NAM profiles as they don't have the patience or skills to build their own presets. Those who are comfortable rolling their own not only will do so but potentially profile unique/old pieces of gear to "import" them into the unit. It's a win/win. Love the sound of your first no name overdrive that barely works? Profile it and use it with Fractal amp models. Custom built a tube amp kit that just has a special something? Profile it and apply Fractal effects.
 
Will Chen said:
It's not going to be mutually exclusive. The type of player that would support your business would support NAM profiles as they don't have the patience or skills to build their own presets. Those who are comfortable rolling their own not only will do so but potentially profile unique/old pieces of gear to "import" them into the unit. It's a win/win. Love the sound of your first no name overdrive that barely works? Profile it and use it with Fractal amp models. Custom built a tube amp kit that just has a special something? Profile it and apply Fractal effects.
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Or profile your custom Fractal presets and pretend like you "have the amp".
 
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