To Dyna or not

For those who complain of longer boot times- did you immediately play your tube amp after turning it on or did you wait a bit and let the tubes warm up??? Just curious. I turn my fractal on and by the time I’ve grabbed my guitar and plugged it in, the unit is ready. I just don’t get it- are you seriously needing to play INSTANTLY as you power it up?
 
FWIW, in my experience:

  • After I installed the Dyna-Cab updates the boot time is WAYYYYYY longer. But, in the overall scheme of things, is a very minor inconvenience.
  • I revisited many of my favorite patches and added a Dyna-Cab version of the speakers and so far, I'm very impressed with the difference.
  • As others have noted, the clarity and sparkle is much greater than the OG IR for the same cabs. I've especially found that with the Fender and Vox amps, the sound difference is great.

That said, I still have some high gain patches where I prefer the OG IRs.
 
Snowdogyyz said:
For those who complain of longer boot times- did you immediately play your tube amp after turning it on or did you wait a bit and let the tubes warm up??? Just curious. I turn my fractal on and by the time I’ve grabbed my guitar and plugged it in, the unit is ready. I just don’t get it- are you seriously needing to play INSTANTLY as you power it up?
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Sure, the FM9 takes another ~15s to boot up since Dyna-cabs were added. So what? If you're a home or studio player that few seconds is totally irrelevant, and if you're gigging, the boot time is enough to put down your drink and setlist, get your guitar on and plug in.

Spend some time with them and give your ears some play time to adjust before writing them off completely. There are some great factory IRs but the DSP savings and huge range of sounds within the same channel make these worth it for me.

After playing 2 gigs with freshly dialed Dyna-cabs and hearing good things in my IEMs and FOH plus the sound guy's thumbs up, for me this FREE update and slightly longer boot time still beats lugging my amp, 2x12 and pedalboard. I can replicate my real rig perfectly. If I want to go back to the old IRs I chose before, they're not going anywhere.

Just give in.
 
fcs101 said:
I'm not understanding why that would have "dire consequences". There's got to be a way to remove Dyna Cabs, if the user doesn't want them. The unit functions fine without them. I used mine for a few cycles before finally installing them and the only downside is having to acknowledge the annoying pop up. At the very least I'd suggest @GuyJames make it a wish to be able to uninstall them.

I do agree with your time estimates.
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While we're at it, I guess we'll need a way to get rid of those pesky Legacy cabs too, if we wish! biggrin.gif
 
Not sure why, but I seem to like Dyna-Cabs better in the AXE3 than the FM9. May just be the IR I am using on the FM9. I dunno.
 
If increased boot times for new features (in seconds, not minutes) is a deal breaker, maybe the Fractal ecosystem is not for you.
 
I’m still using my favorite IR’s and my favorite amps. I have a few Dynacab presets but my old presets sound better. Dyna is great to have and the interface is excellent. I’m on the FM3 so when I’m done picking cabs, mics, positions, eq and mix I have a 2 IR mix. Just because it’s a lot easier to sort through a ton of IR’s doesn’t mean it’s better than any other IR. Plus I run my old IR’s in Ultrares and I can’t do that with Dynacab.
 
Karl Houseknecht said:
All well and good unless you have some kind of failure or lockup requiring a reboot mid song.
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Fair point. If a tube goes bad, that's a far worse scenario.
It's a matter of perspective I guess. If I'm in a high pressure, good paying gig, I'd have a backup rig running and able to instantly switch to the B rig.

For a weekend warrior type gig, the difference between 15 seconds and 30 seconds for a reboot is not something that I'd be concerned with personally.
 
Love the new Dyna-cabs. A great addition to the Fractal codebase! Also, have huge appreciation for anything that can be done over time to reduce boot time. Looking at other devices, including modelers, that have added boot-time optimizations as they have matured, adding features and functionality and also reducing boot time are not necessarily mutually exclusive.

Just look at how much more complex operating systems have gotten over time, yet their boot times are much shorter than they used to be. Hardware improvements also figure into this as well of course. But software/firmware and operating system improvements also play a significant role.
 
so if fas drops dynacabs we all get it like it or not is what I'm hearing, and the only option is to stay at fw prior to its release or accept it and continue to get new fw and features/if any.
 
DaveO said:
so if fas drops dynacabs we all get it like it or not is what I'm hearing, and the only option is to stay at fw prior to its release or accept it and continue to get new fw and features/if any.
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They already did, and yes. You don't have to use them, though...
 
unix-guy said:
They already did, and yes. You don't have to use them, though...
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Thank you @unix-guy apricate your response, just wanted to be sure that if upgrade I don't loose my ability to use my ml sound lab speaker ir's and my fav. fas stock speaker ir's, so just being cautious before I jump in on v.5, I'll defiantly check out the new dyna cab functionality.
Cheers
DaveO
 
This is the first iteration of Dynacabs, do you think there wont be any improvements in the future ?
I think not, this is just the beginning
 
DaveO said:
Thank you @unix-guy apricate your response, just wanted to be sure that if upgrade I don't loose my ability to use my ml sound lab speaker ir's and my fav. fas stock speaker ir's, so just being cautious before I jump in on v.5, I'll defiantly check out the new dyna cab functionality.
Cheers
DaveO
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No problem. Existing factory and 3rd party IRs are not affected at all.

DynaCabs just gives you new options.
 
Karl Houseknecht said:
All well and good unless you have some kind of failure or lockup requiring a reboot mid song.
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randocaster said:
Fair point. If a tube goes bad, that's a far worse scenario.
It's a matter of perspective I guess. If I'm in a high pressure, good paying gig, I'd have a backup rig running and able to instantly switch to the B rig.

For a weekend warrior type gig, the difference between 15 seconds and 30 seconds for a reboot is not something that I'd be concerned with personally.
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True, the mid-set failure is always a possibility. Things can happen given fluctuations in power, gremlins, the unknown, etc,

I would be confident that after a few full-run rehearsals if nothing bad happens, it's more likely my FM9 will get through the gig. If I bring my Mark IV head and use it as a power amp, then I've got a backup solution. And if there's a reboot or something that has to happen during the set, the rhythm section can groove for the < 1 min it takes.

Maybe I'm tempting fate 😆 I'll report back if catastrophe ensues! To me, the extra boot time doesn't add any more risk and the ease of use for tone tweaking trumps that
 
DrGreencock said:
True, the mid-set failure is always a possibility. Things can happen given fluctuations in power, gremlins, the unknown, etc,

I would be confident that after a few full-run rehearsals if nothing bad happens, it's more likely my FM9 will get through the gig. If I bring my Mark IV head and use it as a power amp, then I've got a backup solution. And if there's a reboot or something that has to happen during the set, the rhythm section can groove for the < 1 min it takes.

Maybe I'm tempting fate 😆 I'll report back if catastrophe ensues! To me, the extra boot time doesn't add any more risk and the ease of use for tone tweaking trumps that
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FWIW for my previous and current FAS system I use a power conditioner from Furman to help keep the power from wonkyness (old clubs, theaters and outdoor venues) from creating too much chaos or noise.

So far (thank God) I've not had any issues with the FM9 and it has been rock solid at shows, as was my AX8 before that.

If by chance I get back to doing large venue shows again, I might get the conditioner/regulator version that Furman makes For extra peace of mind and equipment security. It's pretty expensive, but I am told is excellent for amp simulators. I know bands using earlier FAS and Kemper systems used these power units for live shows.
 
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