Wish: Compressor or Boost in the Input block

Input boost is already in the amp block with classic EQ curves. There is also a pre-EQ that can be used as a boost with custom EQ curves. I believe both may be toggled and levels set with modifiers.

Are you saying you wish for an additional boost?

I do think it would be cool to be able to purpose the post compression in the amp block to input compression.
 
Maybe we get the input dynamics section of the Axe III. Asking for signal chain features that don't exist on the FM3, FM9, or Axe III is extremely unlikely to happen.
 
Admin M@ said:
That isn't likely to happen either. The AM4 is a streamlined product. I believe that people are embracing it because of the upside of these limitations.
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I would tend to agree though I'm not sure input dynamics would be a significant increase in complexity, but I've never had access to it as a previous FM3 user. However, I also think there are people like me where the 4 slots meet the vast majority of our needs but we'd love just a bit more flexibility (though I'm not expecting it, I can see how much power the 4 blocks are using).

Hopefully when the next gen product line is launched, a full(er) power unit with a similar format is being considered.
 
Admin M@ said:
That isn't likely to happen either. The AM4 is a streamlined product. I believe that people are embracing it because of the upside of these limitations.
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Exactly
I believe, I am a fairly advanced AxeFX3 user, but I find myself loving the simple workflow of the AM4. Every once in a while, I am missing a function I know I have in my AxeFX, but then I work around it.
 
Smittefar said:
Exactly
I believe, I am a fairly advanced AxeFX3 user, but I find myself loving the simple workflow of the AM4. Every once in a while, I am missing a function I know I have in my AxeFX, but then I work around it.
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A single knob on the expert edit screen wouldn't impact anyone's workflow unless they wanted it to. But I digress as it appears I'm in the minority on this one.
 
Will Chen said:
A single knob on the expert edit screen wouldn't impact anyone's workflow unless they wanted it to.
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You could say that about any one complication that someone might want to add. But when you look at all the little favorite complications that people want to add, the warts start to add up. Complexity grows, and you start to approach FM3 territory.

This forum holds a higher concentration of sophisticated users than does the general population of AM4 users. It’s hard to overemphasize the attractiveness of the AM4’s simplicity. Add a few people’s favorite complications, and you mess with that simplicity.
 
Rex said:
You could say that about any one complication that someone might want to add. But when you look at all the little favorite complications that people want to add, the warts start to add up. Complexity grows, and you start to approach FM3 territory.

This forum holds a higher concentration of sophisticated users than does the general population of AM4 users. It’s hard to overemphasize the attractiveness of the AM4’s simplicity. Add a few people’s favorite complications, and you mess with that simplicity.
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Sorry, not buying that. If ultimate simplicity was the goal here there would be no expert edit options on any of the blocks.

Again, I get it if Fractal doesn't want to add it and honestly I don't expect them to. I've been using Fractal stuff since the AX8 and much appreciate the UI advances they've made. I love the AM4 UI and the default switching modes. Its a fantastic product.

Doesn't change the fact that I'd love access to input dynamics. You'll never convince me that a single knob compressor/expander on an expert edit screen would break the brains of AM4 users.
 
imo, expert edits of a block are not the same kind of complexity as adding a new blocks to a chain.

Expert block edits are just trim pots to optionally turn vs entirely new pedals in the chain in the context of the am4 user experience

You can already the the amp block alone up to the 85% limit in some models and bells and whistles enabled. More global expert pages will push that further.
 
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nomoretubes said:
imo, expert edits of a block are not the same kind of complexity as adding a new blocks to a chain.

Expert block edits are just trim pots to optionally turn vs entirely new pedals in the chain in the context of the am4 user experience

You can already the the amp block alone up to the 85% limit in some models and bells and whistles enabled. More global expert pages will push that further.
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Input dynamics is a single knob, not pages of parameters. It would be on the Expert Edit page of the AM4 editor. You can see at it here.



And again, if Fractal never adds it to the AM4 it's still a great product. And maybe it can't handle it, and that's totally fine as well. But I can guarantee we are going to have literal years of "Wish: Global Compressor" on this forum, and this would absolutely be a workaround for the players looking for that.
 
Will Chen said:
Sorry, not buying that. If ultimate simplicity was the goal here there would be no expert edit options on any of the blocks.
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If ultimate simplicity were the goal, Fractal would be selling rocks. It's more like, "Balance features with complexity, while keeping the overall vibe simple.

Will Chen said:
You'll never convince me that a single knob compressor/expander on an expert edit screen would break the brains of AM4 users.
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It's not the single knob — it's the multitude of single knobs that would come if everyone's Wish List items were implemented. I know it's just one wish, but it's one out of many.

These discussions ultimately boil down to, "Why wasn't my favorite wish implemented? It's dead simple, after all." The first step in servicing a wish list is triage. What would serve the most people while maintaining the product's vision. Part of that vision is simplicity — and just as important, perceived simplicity. It's not just your wish. It's also the dozens of other wishes that came before yours, and the dozens that will follow. :)
 
Rex said:
If ultimate simplicity were the goal, Fractal would be selling rocks. It's more like, "Balance features with complexity, while keeping the overall vibe simple.


It's not the single knob — it's the multitude of single knobs that would come if everyone's Wish List items were implemented. I know it's just one wish, but it's one out of many.

These discussions ultimately boil down to, "Why wasn't my favorite wish implemented? It's dead simple, after all." The first step in servicing a wish list is triage. What would serve the most people while maintaining the product's vision. Part of that vision is simplicity — and just as important, perceived simplicity. It's not just your wish. It's also the dozens of other wishes that came before yours, and the dozens that will follow. :)
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Again I'm 100% ok if my wish is never granted, it's already more or less officially shot down in this thread. I'm not demanding anything nor criticizing Fractal's willingness to do it. I don't even know if it's powerful enough to do it (my guess is not or it would already be there). I'm OK with Fractal not doing it for whatever reason they fit and I don't need any reason why.

That said, given the number of deep complex parameters already in the unit, your argument is in bad faith and honestly a bit insulting as it insinuates the avg AM4 user is incapable of grasping a single knob dynamic control amongst a hundred parameters already on the Expert Edit screen.

I won't respond again in this thread nor on this topic in the future. But I find it incredibly odd that a user of a product from a company famous for adding features via firmware updates would argue against adding new features.
 
Will Chen said:
...given the number of deep complex parameters already in the unit, your argument is in bad faith and honestly a bit insulting...
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Peace, brother. No insult was intended, and the bad-faith statement is just wrong. I stated what I think, same as you did.

Will Chen said:
...it insinuates the avg AM4 user is incapable of grasping a single knob dynamic control amongst a hundred parameters already on the Expert Edit screen.
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That's a straw man argument. It's not about what people are capable of.
 
Will Chen said:
That said, given the number of deep complex parameters already in the unit, your argument is in bad faith and honestly a bit insulting as it insinuates the avg AM4 user is incapable of grasping a single knob dynamic control amongst a hundred parameters already on the Expert Edit screen.
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He didn't say anything about "grasping" anything.

He said basically that if every user's "just one knob" wish was added then eventually you've got 100 extra knobs.

I'm really not sure how you could possibly miss the point of the reply...
 
Admin M@ said:
The AM4 is a streamlined product. I believe that people are embracing it because of the upside of these limitations.
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It's a bit of one and bit of other. I really like the simplified UI and smaller form factor of the AM4, but at the same time wish I had access to some of the convenient features found in the larger products.

I still think a single global block for Amp/cab would solve all these requests for extra effects, because then people can be just guided to build another preset with the same amp/cab but their needed effect thrown into one of the other block slots.

For me, it's not solved by "just buy the FM3, FM9 or Axe-Fx 3" for more, because those lose out on the good bits of the AM4 - the simplified UI and the smaller form factor. The easiest solve is probably to just add a wah pedal or whatever "always on" effect you need as adding a VP4 is already a lot bigger and more complicated connections.
 
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