Why lower gain Cameron CCV amp model feels more noisy than much higher gain Herbie 3?

FractalAudio said:
Frequency response. Humans perceive high frequency thermal noise as hiss. The more gain the more hiss. Diezel's have a lot of filtering. Large grid stoppers, plate capacitors, etc. This reduces the bandwidth which lowers the hiss. Camerons are pretty much wide open. Small grid stoppers or bypass caps on the grid stoppers, no plate caps, etc.
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oh wow, THANK YOU ! 🙏
 
Is it possible to out an eq after the amp to filter the hiss, but not noticable affect the overall tone? How do we do that?
 
In the new beta firmware we have the option to use snubber caps to reduce the overall hiss. Have you tried this? It might be what you’re thinking of.

edit: Plate Suppressor Diodes parameter.
 
JDR3009 said:
In the new beta firmware we have the option to use snubber caps to reduce the overall hiss. Have you tried this? It might be what you’re thinking of.

edit: Plate Suppressor Diodes parameter.
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I could be wrong, but I don't think that reduces hiss, noise that happens without playing anything. It reduces fizz, high frequency hash that's part of the guitar tone.

Budda said:
This is the function of a noise gate.
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Maybe use two gates, one at the input, to reduce hum and interference from the guitar itself, and one after the amp, to reduce hiss. Key the second one off the input signal.
 
Thomas Obester said:
I don’t see any charm in the HISS and noise guys, sorry
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Also, in the venues with bad power it doesn't allow you to use presets you've created quite often. You have to use humbuckers where you wanted single coils, which just reduces all the efforts of fine-tuning presets and benefits of the modeller to zero.
So having some kind of filter on a frequency or two sometimes is just a must.


Dave Merrill said:
Maybe use two gates, one at the input, to reduce hum and interference from the guitar itself, and one after the amp, to reduce hiss. Key the second one off the input signal.
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I will try this one, thank you! Not sure about "key the second one", can you please elaborate? I am not a native speaker:)
 
Chromatizm said:
Also, in the venues with bad power it doesn't allow you to use presets you've created quite often. You have to use humbuckers where you wanted single coils, which just reduces all the efforts of fine-tuning presets and benefits of the modeller to zero.
So having some kind of filter on a frequency or two sometimes is just a must.



I will try this one, thank you! Not sure about "key the second one", can you please elaborate? I am not a native speaker:)
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if you want silent single coils, try suhr guitars :)
 
chiming in late...
yek said:
The hiss is part of the sound and charm. Kill it and it’s not a CCV anymore.
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I feel the same! In fact, the CCV has been my main go to amp for low tuned metal stuff. I initially boosted it with an sd1, but while tightening it to my liking (Bb standard), the boost also took away the high end hiss. The amp still sounds great like this, but more generic like so many other high gainers, so I settled on pre eq to tighten things up and at the same time retain that angry breath of the CCV. And, nice side effect, the amp clears up so much better with the volume knob now...
But @Thomas Obester , I get you: If your ideal audio production is rather clean, the hiss can be something not adhering to that sound ideal...
I for one like some wabi sabi and perceive authenticity and character with the CCV hissing ....
At the end of the day, I believe we have a magical tool box in our hands with a limitless palette of colors it seems...
 
kit dunborg said:
chiming in late...


I feel the same! In fact, the CCV has been my main go to amp for low tuned metal stuff. I initially boosted it with an sd1, but while tightening it to my liking (Bb standard), the boost also took away the high end hiss. The amp still sounds great like this, but more generic like so many other high gainers, so I settled on pre eq to tighten things up and at the same time retain that angry breath of the CCV. And, nice side effect, the amp clears up so much better with the volume knob now...
But @Thomas Obester , I get you: If your ideal audio production is rather clean, the hiss can be something not adhering to that sound ideal...
I for one like some wabi sabi and perceive authenticity and character with the CCV hissing ....
At the end of the day, I believe we have a magical tool box in our hands with a limitless palette of colors it seems...
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yeah, nowadays I am using ccv 2c model with input trim at 0,4 and it still has more noise that herbie 3 with 3x more gain than CCV :tearsofjoy:
 
Rock Chalk said:
@Thomas Obester just curious......what are your input gate settings?
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threshold -45db, ratio 2, attack 1ms, release 15ms and intelligent type.

but IMO, it has nothing to do it with that. my guitar is perfectly shielded and I talk only about the time while you play for example hardcore-type slow chuggs and only then you hear that noise.
 
Thomas Obester said:
threshold -45db, ratio 2, attack 1ms, release 15ms and intelligent type.

but IMO, it has nothing to do it with that. my guitar is perfectly shielded and I talk only about the time while you play for example hardcore-type slow chuggs and only then you hear that noise.
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Like I said....just curious. I must be blessed with exceptionally clean power at my place. When I play through the Camerons, while they are a little noisier than the Herbie, it's not by much at all.......even while playing like you mention.
 
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