GM Arts said:An ideal FRFR will have the same high response from the tweeter whether you have it facing you or off axis
Let me know when you find one of those.
GM Arts said:An ideal FRFR will have the same high response from the tweeter whether you have it facing you or off axis
I see there are other folks around here who recognize the differences between 12" guitar speakers and proper full range systems. You're quite right, of course.GM Arts said:Of course ideal FRFRs don't exist, but my "semi-pro" RCF 322A is way better for wide HF spread than any guitar cab I've ever played through (and I've played through many). Coaxial designs have additional advantages around the crossover frequencies as well, so it's not too hard to find a better solution, even if its not perfect.
GM Arts said:Of course ideal FRFRs don't exist, but my "semi-pro" RCF 322A is way better for wide HF spread than any guitar cab I've ever played through (and I've played through many). Coaxial designs have additional advantages around the crossover frequencies as well, so it's not too hard to find a better solution, even if its not perfect.
By your own account, you point your NS-10s at your head. Why, in principle, is a larger FRFR monitor any different?joegold said:We should expect them to be better.
I still wouldn't point it straight at my head.
Jay Mitchell said:By your own account, you point your NS-10s at your head. Why, in principle, is a larger FRFR monitor any different?joegold said:We should expect them to be better.
I still wouldn't point it straight at my head.
Jay Mitchell said:Whatever basis you might have for disagreement with me, it is not a lack of professional gigging experience on my part.
Jay Mitchell said:Back to the topic. Here are some very basic facts:
The goal of an FRFR system is to convert the electrical signal you apply to its input into sound arriving at your ears, with no alteration to any audible characteristics of that signal. One component of that goal is flat amplitude response, both on axis and over a defined set of coverage angles. How well a given speaker model achieves that goal is highly variable.
If the signal you're applying to the input of your FRFR is exactly as you would like it, and you hear "too much high frequency" or "too much bass" or too much or too little of anything, then your FRFR system does not have flat amplitude response.
If you can tweak your Axe-Fx to get a sound you like through a good quality monitor - a few have been mentioned specifically in this thread - then it will sound just as good through a stage system with the same response. Many small monitors have pretty flat response on axis these days. If your sonic reference point is one of those, then you should be able tell right away how close to flat your stage rig is.
The important thing to establish under some set of repeatable circumstances is that you are hearing the signal your Axe-Fx puts out with as little coloration as possible. If you are confident of that, then you can be confident of the effect that any parameter changes you make will have on your sound.
If your reference rig is flat, but your stage rig is not, one option you have is to use equalization in the Axe-Fx to correct for the response of your stage rig. Not all response problems can be equalized, but many of them can. If you segregate the EQ you do to level your stage rig's response from all other EQ in your presets, you can quickly adapt to different playback systems. You can also send the corrected signal to your stage rig while providing a signal without correction (or with different corrective EQ) to FOH.
If you have a reference speaker you know to be suitably neutral, and you still hear too much HF, then (surprise) there's too much HF in the signal from your Axe-Fx. One cause of this is a speaker IR that was acquired via close-mic'ing. The HF content of a close-mic'ed cab can be far greater than what the same cab produces at reasonable listening distances, and guitar tracks are often heavily EQ'ed to compensate for that excess of HF. If you do not want to have to do a similar amount of EQ'ing in your presets, then you should probably try cab sims that are not close-mic'ed.
Jay Mitchell said:Most speakers - even stage monitors - are designed to produce their flattest response on axis. If it ain't flat there, the odds of it being closer to flat somewhere else are extremely low.
If your Axe-Fx sounds bad through a speaker with flat response, IMO the best solution is to fix your presets. If your sound is bad in one direction from your speaker and you fix that by just aiming it away from you, then somebody is suffering, it's just not you. :?
Jay Mitchell said:Most speakers - even stage monitors - are designed to produce their flattest response on axis. If it ain't flat there, the odds of it being closer to flat somewhere else are extremely low.
Ringleader said:Jay and Joe :lol:
GM Arts said:Of course ideal FRFRs don't exist, but my "semi-pro" RCF 322A is way better for wide HF spread than any guitar cab I've ever played through (and I've played through many). Coaxial designs have additional advantages around the crossover frequencies as well, so it's not too hard to find a better solution, even if its not perfect.