Next best SS alternative to a Matrix GT1000FX?

Is that tube or solid state?
Tube/SS hybrid.

Whats the use of an AX7 tube typically found in preamp sections, in a clean hi headroom / low coloration power amp? Isn't there a risk of that AX7 distorting which would usually be unwanted in such a power amp context?
The tube is probably for tone. No, there's no preamp distortion - It's a power amp.

Yeah man, but toobz!
It sounds great! More affordable than a Matrix too.

Plus it makes the thing heavier, heavier means more professional.
It's 11lbs. If you're used to Matrix and class D amps then the Koch is probably heavy (and professional). ART power amps are heavy without tubes so, they're probably semi-professional.
 
The tube is probably for tone. No, there's no preamp distortion - It's a power amp.
I get that its a power amp - that's my point / question - I don't see what function a typical preamp tube has in a clean hi-headroom low coloration power amp intended not to overly color the tone of what it's processing, ie, a modellers' output which already has its own preamp/power amp coloration incorporated. If the Ax7's function is to add tone, my question still is / why?, what sort of tone could it be adding in a power amp context?

I have to agree with the sentiment above: seems like the old: "Lets throw a tube in there so buyers see it and think "ooooh tubez!" regardless of if it makes any sense. Also, that Ax7 may sound great to me too, but I'm not sure if that's a good thing: I'll have a power amp to use with my modeller that should not be coloring my tone, but it has this great sounding preamp tube in it that colors my tone, and will be applied on anything and everything I route thru the power amp! (hmmmm ???, hope I don't change my mind about how much I like the sound of that Ax7 tube 😳).

Maybe theres something to this I don't get as I mightv seen it elsewhere. Maybe its intended to mimic a power amp tube's tonal influence somehow (tho I also have mixed feelings about genuine tube power amps to monitor modellers since their real power tubes are doubling (possibly muddying) the already present modelled power amp tubes). In the mean time I'll stick with my very transparent MatrixGT1kfx to monitor Axfx thru FRCabs and traditional guitar cabs.
 
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I get that its a power amp - that's my point / question - I don't see what function a typical preamp tube has in a clean hi-headroom low coloration power amp intended not to overly color the tone of what it's processing, ie, a modellers' output which already has its own preamp/power amp coloration incorporated. If the Ax7's function is to add tone, my question still is / why?, what sort of tone could it be adding in a power amp context?

I have to agree with the sentiment above: seems like the old: "Lets throw a tube in there so buyers see it and think "ooooh tubez!" regardless of if it makes any sense. Also, that Ax7 may sound great to me too, but I'm not sure if that's a good thing: I'll have a power amp to use with my modeller that should not be coloring my tone, but it has this great sounding preamp tube in it that colors my tone, and will be applied on anything and everything I route thru the power amp! (hmmmm ???, hope I don't change my mind about how much I like the sound of that Ax7 tube 😳).

Maybe theres something to this I don't get as I mightv seen it elsewhere. Maybe its intended to mimic a power amp tube's tonal influence somehow (tho I also have mixed feelings about genuine tube power amps to monitor modellers since their real power tubes are doubling (possibly muddying) the already present modelled power amp tubes). In the mean time I'll stick with my very transparent MatrixGT1kfx to monitor Axfx thru FRCabs and traditional guitar cabs.
The tube is merely for the input/preamp signal process before hitting the power amp. Perhaps, I misspoke regarding the tube providing “tone”, however it may add tone in the form of “punch”.

I understand a preamp tube isn’t typical component for a solid state amp, however one is used here and they’re typically used in tube power amps, including the flattest and most sterile tube amps available like Fryette 2/90/2 and LXII or Carvin TS100 or the Atomic Reactor 50/50.

I also use a Matrix (gt800) with my axefx but, not because it’s great or the best but, because it’s ridiculously light and does the job well. The Koch is a great alternative and still available.
 
The tube is merely for the input/preamp signal process before hitting the power amp. Perhaps, I misspoke regarding the tube providing “tone”, however it may add tone in the form of “punch”.

I understand a preamp tube isn’t typical component for a solid state amp, however one is used here and they’re typically used in tube power amps, including the flattest and most sterile tube amps available like Fryette 2/90/2 and LXII or Carvin TS100 or the Atomic Reactor 50/50.

I also use a Matrix (gt800) with my axefx but, not because it’s great or the best but, because it’s ridiculously light and does the job well. The Koch is a great alternative and still available.
IMO the tube is a Marketing Fixture.
 
The tube is merely for the input/preamp signal process before hitting the power amp
one is used here and they’re typically used in tube power amps, including the flattest and most sterile tube amps available like Fryette 2/90/2
Sorry, I'm no expert but not convinced. Power amps like the ones you mentioned don't have preamp sections as I understand them - afaik, they are dedicated tube power amps with the primary tube influence coming from power tubes like ie EL34, 6L6 etc ... (totally different from typically preamp type tubes like 12Ax7 I think). I've heard of dedicated tube power amps having 12Ax7s in them for the role of phase inverter (to feed split opposite signals to the power tubes ... ? - something like that? - not sure on the detail - out of my depth on that stuff). In this case tho, its a SS power amp so 12ax7 as phase inverter doesn't seem to make sense either. Marketing seems a likely answer, which steers me away from it.
 
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Sorry, I'm no expert but not convinced. Power amps like the ones you mentioned don't have preamp sections as I understand them - afaik, they are dedicated tube power amps with the primary tube influence coming from power tubes like ie EL34, 6L6 etc ... (totally different from typically preamp type tubes like 12Ax7 I think). I've heard of dedicated tube power amps having 12Ax7s in them for the role of phase inverter (to feed split opposite signals to the power tubes ... ? - something like that? - not sure on the detail - out of my depth on that stuff). In this case tho, its a SS power amp so 12ax7 as phase inverter doesn't seem to make sense either. Marketing seems a likely answer, which steers me away from it.
All of the tube amps I listed use preamp tubes at the input. I've worked on all of them, as well as Mesa's. They're to amplify and/or shape the guitar signal to a level the power amp can use for driving a speaker.
You're correct regarding a preamp tube as a phase inverter, however that's the last stage before the power tubes.

If I have time tonight, I'll measure the plate voltage tonight.
 
Sorry, I'm no expert but not convinced. Power amps like the ones you mentioned don't have preamp sections as I understand them - afaik, they are dedicated tube power amps with the primary tube influence coming from power tubes like ie EL34, 6L6 etc ... (totally different from typically preamp type tubes like 12Ax7 I think). I've heard of dedicated tube power amps having 12Ax7s in them for the role of phase inverter (to feed split opposite signals to the power tubes ... ? - something like that? - not sure on the detail - out of my depth on that stuff). In this case tho, its a SS power amp so 12ax7 as phase inverter doesn't seem to make sense either. Marketing seems a likely answer, which steers me away from it.
The 12AX7 is used as a buffer, and they are in just about all tube power amps.
 
Not a rack unit but fits in the pedal board with big volume knob at easy access, I use a SD170 to power my single speaker cab loaded with a G12H red back. Loud enough to fill a small hall and festivals tents. Does not distort
 
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"Carefully tailored, guitar-specific EQ" is a red flag to me. Let the Axe do the modeling, just drive a speaker please.
When corrections need to be made due to on-site conditions, it's convenient to have an easily accessible correction, isn't it?
By analogy, when the sound engineer takes the audio output from the FM9, he also makes some corrections despite the preparation already done on the FM9.
 
When corrections need to be made due to on-site conditions, it's convenient to have an easily accessible correction, isn't it?
By analogy, when the sound engineer takes the audio output from the FM9, he also makes some corrections despite the preparation already done on the FM9.
Global Output EQ...

Also, that's not "tailored for guitar", it's adjustable as needed which is fine.
 
I personally don't think so...I agree with Dave.

I have all the guitar specific tailoring I need inside the Fractal. Modeled at an extremely accurate level.

I want my power amp and speakers as flat as they can be to let the Fractal stuff work as good as possible.
I understand the approach.
I remember, for example, playing in a biker bar. The stage was made of wood, a real sound box! And at the back of the stage, there was a superb bay window that allowed you to see an exceptional landscape.... but the sound was very complicated. I had to make significant corrections with the FM9's EQ and the amp's corrections to get an acceptable sound. Of course, these are exceptional situations, but they happen sometimes.
 
I understand the approach.
I remember, for example, playing in a biker bar. The stage was made of wood, a real sound box! And at the back of the stage, there was a superb bay window that allowed you to see an exceptional landscape.... but the sound was very complicated. I had to make significant corrections with the FM9's EQ and the amp's corrections to get an acceptable sound. Of course, these are exceptional situations, but they happen sometimes.
That's a different thing.

If your monitoring has a "Carefully tailored, guitar-specific EQ" built in, it's not letting you hear what you're putting out, it's coloring it. It's not a trustable reference any more.

EQ somewhere in your chain that you can easily adjust on the fly for unusual environments is good. That's a different thing.
 
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