NEW PRS S2 Mira 594

No i don't, that's part of why i don't get this.

If non-adjustable bridges can be made so they play in tune, why does anything else exist?
Good question that I don't have an answer for. Maybe some people can't can't past needing an adjustable. These bridges work very well. Like I mentioned above, the wrap bridges with the brass inserts used to be private stock bridges. They are putting them on more guitars now.
 
I just realized something. The neck pickup on these are flipped backwards.
Yeah, presumably to lose a bit of woof, by putting the screw (active) coils closer to the bridge. I think.

I've considered trying that myself, to better balance bridge and neck tones. It's on the long list of guitar electronics manoeuvers i haven't gotten around to investigating...
 
Yeah, presumably to lose a bit of woof, by putting the screw (active) coils closer to the bridge. I think.

I've considered trying that myself, to better balance bridge and neck tones. It's on the long list of guitar electronics manoeuvers i haven't gotten around to investigating...

I had that on a Gibson SG and I didn't notice really any difference.
 
Yeah, presumably to lose a bit of woof, by putting the screw (active) coils closer to the bridge. I think.
Kinda the converse of that: putting the slugs (hidden under the covers) closer to the middle of the string makes the single coil mode sound more Fender-like. They do that on the Paul's Guitar and the Modern Eagle V and I really like what it does for the single coil tones. Though to be fair those guitars have a slightly different pickup design from a traditional Gibson humbucker.
 
No i don't, that's part of why i don't get this.

If non-adjustable bridges can be made so they play in tune, why does anything else exist?
(Disclosure: I've followed PRS as a company for a long time and played their guitars since the mid 90s. I'll not cop to being a total fanboi as there are certainly things worth criticizing about the company. Their nuts and electronics QC haven't been up to snuff in recent years, and the less said about the weird-ass ways they name their features, the better!)

In Paul's early years of repairing guitars he ran into more than a few LP Juniors that really punched above their weight. He liked the sound of the wrapover tailpiece on those guitars but clearly they had intonation issues. Since his company had access to really good CNC machining in the 90s, they came up with a "pre-intonated" wrapover bridge to try and improve on those LP Junior bridges. It's worth noting that they introduced that bridge on the original Dragon guitars, the most expensive model they had ever produced at that time. Also, they did produce a version with fully adjustable saddles not that many years later, and those adjustable versions are still standard on their hollowbody models.

Edit: I kinda inadvertently ducked answering the actual question. I think CNC machining made it possible to make that part with the precision needed at some kind of reasonable price point. It wouldn't have been cost effective in the 50s, plus the LP Jr. was meant to be a cheap guitar. The bridge IIRC was actually just the standard Gibson tailpiece set at a slight angle to make it intonate kinda sorta. Paul tried to improve on that. I certainly think it's a trouble-free bridge and as I pointed out before, it does permit simple, albeit limited intonation adjustment at the posts.
 
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Really is a mystery to me how a high end maker like prs could think non-adjustable saddles make any sense. If that worked well, no guitars would have adjustable ones, since fixed ones are obviously simpler to make, cheaper to manufacture, and never need adjusting. ???
Paul is a problem solver, and if you go back to the very first guitars he made and which were the inspiration for what was to come - they were essentially Les Paul Juniors. I am sure he has stated in the past (and I am pretty sure Joe Knaggs has said the same thing) that stop tail guitars simply sound better than those with an ABR-1 or similar bridge. Being the owner of a 53 Les Paul and a couple of SG Juniors and Melody Makers I 100% agree with him on this - there is an immediacy and responsiveness to their tone and feel that isn't there with the ABR-1 / Stop Tailpiece. Added is that when Paul started making guitars, Gibson and Fender were at their lowest ebb - Norlin had zero interest in quality - their dies and machining processes had been neglected for years, the tolerance on ABR-1s was hopeless - a bunch of poorly fitting parts held together with a bit of bent wire - we could spend hours trying to chase down rattles in an ABR-1 of this period and eventually just throw it out - that's why so many Gibsons and Fenders of this era have so many parts replaced - the stock factory parts were junk.

So as a self taught engineer and problem solver, Paul looks at the ABR-1 and original stoptail and thinks; "what is the simplest, most elegant solution to this - do we need really need all these widgetty little parts when 99% of guitars have a very predictable intonation pattern, and to boot, can we make something that actually feels really nice to rest your hand on?"

What PRS came up with was one of the most elegant stop tail bridges ever made - zero rattles, NO moving parts, no "banjo-ing because there is a straight drop off where the string leaves the bridge, and it feels absolutely beautiful under the hand. Just think - if there were people at Gibson who thought the way Paul does, they could have designed this seventy years ago...... but they didn't. As much sculpture as function.

The adjustable version came along when the SC250 was revealed, and that guitar was aimed at least in part for the drop tuning dudes who frequently end up with a wound G string - prior to that demand for intonation based around a wound G on PRS guitars would have been essentially non existent.
 
Paul is a problem solver, and if you go back to the very first guitars he made and which were the inspiration for what was to come - they were essentially Les Paul Juniors. I am sure he has stated in the past (and I am pretty sure Joe Knaggs has said the same thing) that stop tail guitars simply sound better than those with an ABR-1 or similar bridge. Being the owner of a 53 Les Paul and a couple of SG Juniors and Melody Makers I 100% agree with him on this - there is an immediacy and responsiveness to their tone and feel that isn't there with the ABR-1 / Stop Tailpiece. Added is that when Paul started making guitars, Gibson and Fender were at their lowest ebb - Norlin had zero interest in quality - their dies and machining processes had been neglected for years, the tolerance on ABR-1s was hopeless - a bunch of poorly fitting parts held together with a bit of bent wire - we could spend hours trying to chase down rattles in an ABR-1 of this period and eventually just throw it out - that's why so many Gibsons and Fenders of this era have so many parts replaced - the stock factory parts were junk.

So as a self taught engineer and problem solver, Paul looks at the ABR-1 and original stoptail and thinks; "what is the simplest, most elegant solution to this - do we need really need all these widgetty little parts when 99% of guitars have a very predictable intonation pattern, and to boot, can we make something that actually feels really nice to rest your hand on?"

What PRS came up with was one of the most elegant stop tail bridges ever made - zero rattles, NO moving parts, no "banjo-ing because there is a straight drop off where the string leaves the bridge, and it feels absolutely beautiful under the hand. Just think - if there were people at Gibson who thought the way Paul does, they could have designed this seventy years ago...... but they didn't. As much sculpture as function.

The adjustable version came along when the SC250 was revealed, and that guitar was aimed at least in part for the drop tuning dudes who frequently end up with a wound G string - prior to that demand for intonation based around a wound G on PRS guitars would have been essentially non existent.
I wonder if that prs fixed bridge would work on any non-prs guitars, for instance my Collings City Limits.
 
I wonder if that prs fixed bridge would work on any non-prs guitars, for instance my Collings City Limits.
Wilkinson make a reasonably close copy with of all things a sliding adjustable G saddle - I don't think it's too expensive if you want to experiment, but I would have thought Collings of all people would be using stellar quality hardware. Whatever they use as a stoptail bridge looks a whole lot like the PRS adjustable bridge in any case. The PRS bridge is VERY expensive to buy as a part - maybe something from Music City Bridges might be a better choice?

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The bridge on my City Limits is spec'd as a "Kluson ABR-1(nickel-plated zinc w/ retaining wire)", and that's what it looks like, the standard unit, like what's used on Gibsons.

I don't have any specific complaints about it, but hearing you folks talk up the prs piece made me wonder if there might be Moar Tonez out there somewhere.
 
The bridge on my City Limits is spec'd as a "Kluson ABR-1(nickel-plated zinc w/ retaining wire)", and that's what it looks like, the standard unit, like what's used on Gibsons.

I don't have any specific complaints about it, but hearing you folks talk up the prs piece made me wonder if there might be Moar Tonez out there somewhere.
Well it's not going to fit anyway unless you intend to chew up a spectacular guitar and add some humungous bridge studs where the ABR posts currently live. If they are still available you could try Callahams milled steel ABR-1s - I put them on pretty much every Gibson I own and they are just plain stupid good bridges - makes your guitar sound a bit like a piano in terms of resonance and sustain....
 
Well it's not going to fit anyway unless you intend to chew up a spectacular guitar and add some humungous bridge studs where the ABR posts currently live. If they are still available you could try Callahams milled steel ABR-1s - I put them on pretty much every Gibson I own and they are just plain stupid good bridges - makes your guitar sound a bit like a piano in terms of resonance and sustain....
No chewing up thanks :)

I just wrote Collings asking what they thought about replacing the bridge and/or tailpiece with Callaham steel versions, will see what they say.

Think I'd need a tech to slot the saddles, shouldn't be a big deal I'd think.
 
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