MIDI controller with SCENE function unto 150-200$

kunichkin

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Hi everyone! Bought AXE FX 2 resently, and i need a MIDI controller untill i can get MFC. I don't neet to swith presets, only need to switch scenes(patches are switching from PC). Thanks!
 
I thought about that behringer, but I heard, that it.'s quite unreliable. Maybe there are any other options? P.S. sorry for terrible english
 
Cheapest midi controller I ever saw was a pc keyboard with a lot of keys removed sitting on the floor plugged into the laptop - you would need a key press capture program that would then activate the scene in axe edit

How much - about $10!
 
Was just gonna ask if the FCB1010 could do scenes? I have the stock version no mods, and quite fancy programming a few scenes.

As for it being unreliable I've got 2, and they have lasted me a while, never had any problems with them.
 
Peak are priced well though can only have one expression pedal.. Izzyprad has written a great doco on getting scenes working!

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Was just gonna ask if the FCB1010 could do scenes? I have the stock version no mods, and quite fancy programming a few scenes.
As for it being unreliable I've got 2, and they have lasted me a while, never had any problems with them.

Yes I think you can program the stock unit to change scenes... you would have to set up a switch to send the relevant MIDI CC# but no program change command.
I used to use switch 10 for tuner before I got the Uno chip, disable the PC and toggle CC#15.
For example you could use 2 switches for scene up & scene down, the CCs are 123 and 124
 
First of all....are you changing presets from a DAW?
A bit more info for you...You need to consult the OM ver10.02 or newer; Page 171 talks about Scene selection via external MIDI. There is a reference to page 16 describing the use of the back panel foot-switch jack. This option is the simplest BUT, being an external controller jack, it first has to be configured as a simple foot-switch. This will limit you to selecting scenes 1 or 8. (a switch with 2 states)
Your next option is to find a device that can generate and send a MIDI Control Change number (CC#). Be resourceful and scour the market. Korg makes devices under $60.00. The Axe II defaults are listed on page 178, but the CC# can be virtually any number you never plan to use for anything else. (check the chart) On the front panel, navigate; I/O>CTRL>scroll down to scene select. If desired, use the value wheel to change the CC.
Option number 3; is to first position the AE cursor on the scene number of your choice. Next, remove your shoe (either foot) and gently position your large toe on the left click button of your mouse.....don't breath as you play...don't stare at the cursor or your toe...This method has only marginal success.
 
Yes I think you can program the stock unit to change scenes... you would have to set up a switch to send the relevant MIDI CC# but no program change command.
I used to use switch 10 for tuner before I got the Uno chip, disable the PC and toggle CC#15.
For example you could use 2 switches for scene up & scene down, the CCs are 123 and 124

That would be a bit of a problem if you need from scene 5 back to scene 1 in a hurry though.
 
I use the FCB1010 (Eureka Chip) and found programming "scenes" to be easy enough (as phil36uk describes above), but for some damn reason it requires a double-mash of the assigned footswitches. I simply programmed by using the Axe-FX II's "Learn" function when assigning one footswitch to move up through scenes, and another to move down through scenes. Like I said, not sure why I have to mash the respective footswitch twice to invoke an "Scene up" or "Scene down" change though?
 
I thought about that behringer, but I heard, that it.'s quite unreliable. Maybe there are any other options? P.S. sorry for terrible english

I can only speak from personal experience with hundreds if not thousands of gigs and rehearsals under my belt with the FCB1010. I've got two of them and neither have ever let me down or malfunctioned in performance over almost 10 years of use (knock wood!). Every so often, I need to recalibrate the expression pedals. They are a bit big and clunky, a little odd to program, but they are IMO still the best bang-for-the-buck inexpensive MIDI foot pedal controller out there. Yes, you can do scene selection without preset (patch) changes if you wish. You can even toggle between 2 different scenes with alternate presses of the same switch. All this is done with a STOCK FCB1010. Whether you are up to the challenge of programming the pedal is a different issue.
 
I can only speak from personal experience with hundreds if not thousands of gigs and rehearsals under my belt with the FCB1010. I've got two of them and neither have ever let me down or malfunctioned in performance over almost 10 years of use (knock wood!). Every so often, I need to recalibrate the expression pedals. They are a bit big and clunky, a little odd to program, but they are IMO still the best bang-for-the-buck inexpensive MIDI foot pedal controller out there. Yes, you can do scene selection without preset (patch) changes if you wish. You can even toggle between 2 different scenes with alternate presses of the same switch. All this is done with a STOCK FCB1010. Whether you are up to the challenge of programming the pedal is a different issue.

Yep I'm up for the challenge, just need to know where to start.:lol
 
I was thinking more of assigning the first 5 pedals to scenes and the upper 5 to patches. Can that be done?
 
I use the FCB1010 (Eureka Chip) and found programming "scenes" to be easy enough (as phil36uk describes above), but for some damn reason it requires a double-mash of the assigned footswitches. I simply programmed by using the Axe-FX II's "Learn" function when assigning one footswitch to move up through scenes, and another to move down through scenes. Like I said, not sure why I have to mash the respective footswitch twice to invoke an "Scene up" or "Scene down" change though?

Not familiar with the Eureka chip but with the UnO chip there's an option for the stomp to be either stomp or momentary. When it's configured as a stomp I have to press it twice as you describe...when set as momentary it just a single press. You could look for that type of toggling functionality in the Eureka manual. Hope this helps.
 


phil36uk: here is the content of the above link, describing how you assign 5 preset switches to the top row and 5 scenes to the bottom row (generically, since they only send control change values to change the scenes - no preset data):

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Stock FCB1010 with AxeFxII (using all default/MIDI settings). For this set of examples, the TOP ROW of switches will act to switch PRESETS (MIDI Program Changes or PC), and the bottom row will be to change SCENES. I've used this logic since IMO you will be changing SCENES more than you will be changing presets. So, for each preset, you have the default scene (scene 1), and then 5 additional scenes to play with for changing x/y or bypass states of blocks within that layout (without any dropout latency). 6 x 5 = 30 possible configurations.

We'll also program the 2 Exp Pedals to be active regardless of which FCB1010 button is depressed. (I prefer that these are programmed to correspond with the Control Change (CC) values for the AxeFx's "EXT CTRL 1" and "EXT CTRL 2" under the CTRL (Control) tab of the I/O menu. This allows flexibility of assignment and the ability of one of the pedals to control many different parameters (tone morphs and blends) if so desired. (Note: on the AxeFx, set the DISPLAY OFFSET value to 1 on the I/O---> MIDI tab, 10 lines down so that the AFX presets match the PC values programmed in the FCB1010.)

Much of this is directly culled & slightly modified from this link: http://host.mtnsys.com:81/faq-fcb/IdiotsGuide.htm Many thanks to whomever compiled it!

A) Program the FCB1010 to transmit MIDI PC (Program Change, i.e. preset change) and CC (Control Change, used for Expression pedals and to program the switching of Scenes):

Set the MIDI Channels
The MIDI channel on your FCB1010 must match the MIDI channel used on your other MIDI gear. Try MIDI channel 1 on both for a start.

To set the MIDI channel on your FCB1010 (GLOBAL CONFIGURATION MODE):

If FCB1010 is turned on, turn it off
Press and hold the Down button while you turn on the FCB1010. Keep holding it down for about 5 seconds. When you see the small green light come on, release the button
Press the UP button once. The green light will have changed to the MIDI Function selection.
Press the 1 button. The 1 button LED and green light will begin to blink. The display will change to show you the current MIDI channel for PC command.
Press the UP button once. The green light will move to MIDI Chann and the display digit will begin to blink.
Press the 0 button and then the 1 button. This will change it to MIDI channel 1. The display should now show 01.
Press the UP button once. The green light will move to the MIDI Config selection.
Now press and hold the Down button for about 5 seconds. The display will change to 00.

You have now programmed the FCB for the first PC command to MIDI channel 1 (default MIDI channel of the AxeFxII: I/O--->MIDI)
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B) You are now in the FCB1010's "Bank 0". We'll now program this bank's switches and EXP Pedals A&B according to the above. To start, press SWITCH 6 (top row far left).
Lets program this switch to output MIDI PC 6 so that the AxeFxII will display PRESET 6.

Program a Preset

Press the 6 button.
Press and hold the Down button on the FCB1010 for about 5 seconds. This puts the FCB1010 in programming mode for preset 6.
Press the UP button once.
Usually one or more buttons will now have their LEDs on. The green light will be at SELECT (at the top, below the PRESET CONFIGURATION label). [note: for PRESET buttons - the top row of buttons - the only buttons that we are concerned with that should be lit in this "programming mode" should be BUTTON 1 (PROG CH 1) & BUTTON 8 & 9 (EXP A & EXP B, respectively). If any other buttons are lit, press and hold them down for a few seconds until they shut off. This will ensure that only the necessary MIDI data will be transmitted from the FCB1010 to the AFX].
If the LED for switch 1 (bottom row far left) is not on, press and hold the 1 button until the LED comes on.
Press the 1 button again, and it should begin to blink.
Press the UP button once. The display should begin to blink showing the current PC (Program Change) command.
Press the 0 button. Press the 6 button.
Press the UP button once.
Now press and hold the Down button for about 5 seconds.

You have now programmed the 6 button to send a PC command of 6 on MIDI channel 1 to your MIDI gear (the AxeFx).
Program the other buttons (switches) of the FCB1010's top row (6 thru 10) similarly, and of course you can assign the FCB1010's buttons/switches to any PC value (preset) that you like. I've programmed button switch 6 to transmit PC value 6 out of convenience and simplicity. Now, when you press button/switch 6 on the FCB1010, you should see the AFX's Preset 6 (Scene 1).
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C) program the FCB1010's bottom row to select SCENES on the current preset of the AxeFx. Button switch 1 will be transmitting SCENE 2, button 2 transmits SCENE 3, etc. thru button 5. (We'll get to the programming of the EXP pedals a little later.)

Program a SCENE switch

Press the 1 button.
Press and hold the Down button on the FCB1010 for about 5 seconds. This puts the FCB1010 in programming mode for preset (button switch) 1.
Press the UP button once.
At this point, we are only concerned with transmission of a single Control Change (CC) to the AxeFx to change to SCENE 2. Thus, any buttons that have their LEDs lit should be shut off (hold button down until it shuts off). Make sure that button 6 (CNT 1, aka Control Change 1) is lit (press button until it stays lit).
Press quickly button 6 so that the red LED is now blinking.
Press the UP button once quickly. The currently programmed value of the CC# is now blinking. We will be changing this value to CC#34 and with a value of 1 (this will have the effect of transmitting SCENE 2 to whatever AxeFX preset is currently active).
To do this, press BUTTON 3, then BUTTON 4. The value of "34" should now be solid in the readout.
Press the UP button once quickly. The current "VALUE" of this CC will now be displayed as blinking. Press BUTTON 0 then BUTTON 1. (Thus you've programmed CC#34, value = 01)
Press the UP button once quickly. The numeric display is now blank.
Press and hold the DOWN button for a few seconds until the numeric display shows "00", meaning you are in Bank 0, and button switch 1 should have its red LED illuminated.


Now, when you press button 6, you should see the AxeFx preset 6, Scene 1. When you press button 1, you should see AxeFx preset 6 and Scene 2.
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D) Now it's time to program the EXP A & B pedals. The process is exactly the same for all of the buttons on the FCB1010 Bank 0 (or whatever bank you're in), whether that button is being used for a Preset change (PC program change) or a SCENE change.


Set Expression Pedal A for AxeFx "EXT CTRL 1"

When you press the expression pedal, a CC command is sent based on how far down the pedal is pressed. Each CC MIDI command includes two parts. The first is the CC that is being changed and the second the value it is being changed to.


Press the 1 button.
Press and hold the Down button on the FCB1010 for about 5 seconds. This puts the FCB1010 in programming mode for preset (button switch) 1.
Press the UP button once.
NOTE: From the above programming of button 1, the only red LED that should be lit is at button 6 (CTL 1) for Scene change. If you're programming one of the Preset buttons in the top row (6-10), then the only button red LED that should be lit is button switch 1 (PROG CH 1).
If the 8 LED is not on, press and hold the 8 button until the LED comes on.
Press the 8 button again, and it should begin to blink.
Press the UP button once. The display should begin to blink showing the current CC command for expression pedal A.
Press the 1 button. Press the 6 button (corresponding with the value 16 for EXT CTRL 1 on the AxeFx's I/O ---> CTRL tab)
Press the UP button once.
Press the 0 button twice (which sets the minimum volume to zero when the EXP A pedal is in the TOE UP/HEEL DOWN position)
Press the UP button once.
Press the 1 button. press the 2 button. Press the 7 button. This sets the max value to 127 with pedal in the TOE DOWN/HEEL UP position
Press the UP button once.
Now press and hold the Down button for about 5 seconds.


[The process for expression pedal B to control AxeFx "EXT CTRL 2" is similar except you will be using the 9 button in steps 5 and 6, and at step 8, enter values 1 and 7 (17) to correspond with the AxeFx EXT CTRL 2 in the I/O--->CTRL tab.]

You will also need to set the MIDI channel for Expression A & B are to the same channel you selected above, which is MIDI channel 1 in the Global Configuration mode of the FCB1010.
 
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