Matrix GT800FX or GT1000FX?

I just picked up an 800 on the forum. A guy had a 1000 but sold it from underneath me. Any EQ tips to even it closer to the 1000?
 
paulmapp8306 said:
There is actually no emulation as such, its just the components have been chosen to give more of a feel of a tune amp. There the same components as the GT800 mostly (a slightly different design, but nothing you might not find on other amps) its just the values chosen are different. This affects things like (in non technical terms) how quickly a volume change in in input is reflected in the output (so how fast the amps is), and the same thing but with respect to frequency etc. Its these changes that make the amp respond more like valves. There are some changes that effect the overall tonality - giving more open mids, but again nothing you might not get on an amp from a different manufacturer - and it doesn't change the flat response (thats different, you can have two amps that sound different but have the same flat frequency response - strange but true).

What you get are two amps, that have a slightly different feel/response - with the 800 being thicker in the mids with a smoother/darker top end and the 1000 being more open and glassy. You still use amp sims on both. Its just which suits your style better. If you pretty much stick to a Mesa Mark type tone - the 800 may well suit better for instance, but for the majority of people the 1000 seems to be a better fit,
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Been trying to decide between the two most popular setups "matrix Power amp with conventional guitar cab" or FRFR monitors. I've played for a long time through headphones and love the sound so much I can't settle for anything less than what headphones give me. I've been playing for now through a 212 powered by a peavey classic 50/50 power amp. I can get good tones with some of the Amps in the axe fx but for the most part I'm just not happy with the reproduction of the sounds I hear in the headphones.

The biggest letdown in tone is the Bogner Shiva clean. The sound in the headphones knocks me on my arse. The high end is so articulate and just plain beautiful. Nothing I've tried has nailed that headphone sound yet.

things I've tried:
Alto Truesonic 112A
truth monitors
mosvalve through guitar cab( This option I did not get to monkey with for very much time but out of the gate I could tell that it would need a fair amount of tweeking)
Peavey 50/50 tube power amp through 212 guitar cab.
Atomic Reactors active (this option is going back to seller due to his misrepresentation of the condition of the speakers. Neither one works correctly...volume drops, crackles etc...
after I get my scratch back I'm thinking about the gt1000 if I can find one.
 
Starfighter said:
Hi clarky,

how would you compare the output from the Q12 versus the 1960 cabs?
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they are different animals...
and both have their good points too..

the 1960 cabs give you that full-on kick in the chest that a 1x12 can't
however, you are confined to the 1960b tone wise cos you have to turn off the cab sims..
that said... the results are wonderful anyhow..

the Q12 may not move such a huge quantity of air as the 1960b, but that don't mean it's not loud enough..
surprisingly, for sheer volume it will go toe to toe with a 1960 and remain clear - with no lack of lows or highs
the advantages are that you now open up the Axe's cab library to your tonal palette
and of course physically it's considerably smaller, lighter [less of a pain in the rear to move around by a whole lot]..
don't be fooled by it's size.. it packs a big punch..
 
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clarky said:
they are different animals...
and both have their good points too..

the 1960 cabs give you that full-on kick in the chest that a 1x12 can't
however, you are confined to the 1960b tone wise cos you have to turn off the cab sims..
that said... the results are wonderful anyhow..

the Q12 may not move such a huge quantity of air as the 1960b, but that don't mean it's not loud enough..
surprisingly, for sheer volume it will go toe to toe with a 1960 and remain clear - with no lack of lows or highs
the advantages are that you now open up the Axe's cab library to your tonal palette
and of course physically it's considerably smaller, lighter [less of a pain in the rear to move around by a whole lot]..
don't be fooled by it's size.. it packs a big punch..
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I'm not sure how you guys are getting great tones out of the axe fx with a traditional cabinet. I've gotten ok tones but nothing really stellar when it comes to detailed highs. I'm using the matrix and can't seem to get what I hear in headphones in particular the clean sounds of the shiva and others. The highs are not detailed enough for my taste. It's not like they are unplayable but they don't really shine IMHO. I have a q12 coming. If that doesn't get me there I'm not sure what will. How are you achieving a good tone out of the traditional guitar cab? Are your tones mostly high gain tones? In that arena I can see how a traditional guitar cab could work.
 
Hi
For the connections between the Cab, Matrix and the Axe FXII can normal 1/4 jacks be used ? does anybody know or are specialised leads required

G :)
 
maxolla said:
I'm not sure how you guys are getting great tones out of the axe fx with a traditional cabinet. I've gotten ok tones but nothing really stellar when it comes to detailed highs. I'm using the matrix and can't seem to get what I hear in headphones in particular the clean sounds of the shiva and others. The highs are not detailed enough for my taste. It's not like they are unplayable but they don't really shine IMHO. I have a q12 coming. If that doesn't get me there I'm not sure what will. How are you achieving a good tone out of the traditional guitar cab? Are your tones mostly high gain tones? In that arena I can see how a traditional guitar cab could work.
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this is actually really interesting..
in all seriousness [and please don't take offense], you really need to think about what you just said...
cos it raises an interesting point..

you can't get the tones you want from real cabs
yet
the Axe models real amps and throws them through IR's shot of real cabs
so.. the Axe is emulating the real thing..
and in the old days - pre-modelling
all the great tones, gainy, crunchy or clean were all created via real amps and real cabs..

so I'm quite curious about what you're experiencing..

ok.. so my own tones are mostly hi-gain
but my tones all morph to clean..
and I have clean presets too...
I have absolutely no issues at all getting great tones [of all kinds] from my Axe->GT1000->pair of 1960b cabs

Note: when I am live, I don't want to sound all produced and pretty like on a CD
cos that ain't gonna cut it live... it's too pretty.. and lacks body..
I want to be big and fat and raw..
I want my riff tones to cut through the mix, reach out to the front row and draw blood
I want my clean tones to have the thickness and body to stand up with solidity along side the bass

I get a feeling that some folks want to sound a bit too "produced" with their live sound..
if this is what they expect,
on stage I'd expect them to either vanish or be over-powering [not in a good way]

EDIT: I'm wondering if your issue is related to the fx like reverb where you'd set this up in a way that is similar to a recording studio...
for live a real cab would tend to roll off [a little] the reverb's extreme lo's and hi's
which I actually think is a good thing for the sake of clarity..
 
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for me... it's 1/4" jacks all the way

Axe -> GT1000 -> Marshall 1960b
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hi many thanks, sort of scooting round the edge of what else I would need if I was to invest in a Matrix, as I use my FXII 4CM to a Blackstar 104 6l6 and a Marshal 1960 212 cab but space is going to be a major issue shortly and I had a mad idea of putting an FXII in a case with a matrix amp and putting the Blackstar in storage.
 
waylander69 said:
hi many thanks, sort of scooting round the edge of what else I would need if I was to invest in a Matrix, as I use my FXII 4CM to a Blackstar 104 6l6 and a Marshal 1960 212 cab but space is going to be a major issue shortly and I had a mad idea of putting an FXII in a case with a matrix amp and putting the Blackstar in storage.
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rest assured that you'll not be the first to implement such a mad idea....
 
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